Xida XL & ACE
#121
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Boots are a good idea if you frequently drive on dirt roads or inclement weather. There is not room between the shock and the spring however so the boot has to go over the spring like the one that inertia laboratory sells.
No cost effective way to share the Xida program with dealers, sorry.
No cost effective way to share the Xida program with dealers, sorry.
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Boots are a good idea if you frequently drive on dirt roads or inclement weather. There is not room between the shock and the spring however so the boot has to go over the spring like the one that inertia laboratory sells.
No cost effective way to share the Xida program with dealers, sorry.
No cost effective way to share the Xida program with dealers, sorry.
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Are these the neoprene ones? I bought the neoprene ones from raceshocks.uk (UK Tractive dealer) for my Xidas, but they looked way to close to the rear driveshaft when installed. I was also mindful that the damper would probably run very hot if run on track like that, since there was very little exposed damper left. Maybe I need a tow car and enclosed race trailer for all the salty winter trackdays.....
Correct, race shocks for pavement don't have dust boots.
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A no is a no, but I really cannot see how manufacturing the shocks in Tractive, shipping them overseas, and subsequently shipping them back to Europe is more cost-effective; maybe I am missing something. Also; "dealers" is precisely why I suggested Tractive, but oh well. I understand that Europe is a really small market anyways. Sorry for derailing the thread!
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This is not the place to discuss the intricacies of our business model but it is certainly not as simple as you describe. Sorry the shipping costs add up. Incidentally there are components used in our Xida assembly from all over the world, including the US, not just Tractive.
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Last edited by emilio700; 03-03-2019 at 09:26 PM.
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A no is a no, but I really cannot see how manufacturing the shocks in Tractive, shipping them overseas, and subsequently shipping them back to Europe is more cost-effective; maybe I am missing something. Also; "dealers" is precisely why I suggested Tractive, but oh well. I understand that Europe is a really small market anyways. Sorry for derailing the thread!
The cost of Xidas landed in the UK/Europe is pretty painful. The import duty alone was about the same cost of the Meister Rs that everyone in the UK seems to rave about.... But no one is buying Xidas to save money, especially anyone in Europe.
I bought the same spring rate that I had previously been running with Gaz Gold Pros (UK version of spec miata spec damper) and despite no other changes, not even the alignment, I couldn't believe I was driving with the same spring rates and fully understood why those dampers were cheaper than just the import duty on the Xidas.
When you look at what you're getting, you won't find a European based alternative with even a fraction of the development of these. Same story with pretty much every other system on the car too....
/thread derail
#131
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A no is a no, but I really cannot see how manufacturing the shocks in Tractive, shipping them overseas, and subsequently shipping them back to Europe is more cost-effective; maybe I am missing something. Also; "dealers" is precisely why I suggested Tractive, but oh well. I understand that Europe is a really small market anyways. Sorry for derailing the thread!
US 252,116
EU 294,224
There's a market. Whether any business has the infrastructure, the bandwidth...or simply the interest/desire (whatever), is another matter.
#135
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Looking for some thoughts on my situation. So my local track is very rough, like, probably worse than you're imagining. The new track toy I bought is a 130whp NA with some whitener racing revalved bilsteins on 700/400 springs. They are way too stiff for the surface IMO. The car is not enjoyable to drive.
I want to go XIDAs, I ran them on my last car out here in the 700/400 variety, because at the time that was the go to. I know that now more people are running 800/500 for 200tw track use.
With 99% of my track time being on a very bumpy track, does it make sense to stick with 700/400 vs going stiffer? For reference the 700/400 xidas were like a cloud compared to 700/400 bilsteins. I'm thinking go 700/400 race xidas and run on the high side of the recommended ride height to keep as much travel as I can. My goal is a fun track toy, not competing, but I also don't street drive other than to and from (15 minutes).
TL/DR, how much does a very rough track impact your spring rate decision with XIDAs?
I want to go XIDAs, I ran them on my last car out here in the 700/400 variety, because at the time that was the go to. I know that now more people are running 800/500 for 200tw track use.
With 99% of my track time being on a very bumpy track, does it make sense to stick with 700/400 vs going stiffer? For reference the 700/400 xidas were like a cloud compared to 700/400 bilsteins. I'm thinking go 700/400 race xidas and run on the high side of the recommended ride height to keep as much travel as I can. My goal is a fun track toy, not competing, but I also don't street drive other than to and from (15 minutes).
TL/DR, how much does a very rough track impact your spring rate decision with XIDAs?
#136
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Looking for some thoughts on my situation. So my local track is very rough, like, probably worse than you're imagining. The new track toy I bought is a 130whp NA with some whitener racing revalved bilsteins on 700/400 springs. They are way too stiff for the surface IMO. The car is not enjoyable to drive.
I want to go XIDAs, I ran them on my last car out here in the 700/400 variety, because at the time that was the go to. I know that now more people are running 800/500 for 200tw track use.
With 99% of my track time being on a very bumpy track, does it make sense to stick with 700/400 vs going stiffer? For reference the 700/400 xidas were like a cloud compared to 700/400 bilsteins. I'm thinking go 700/400 race xidas and run on the high side of the recommended ride height to keep as much travel as I can. My goal is a fun track toy, not competing, but I also don't street drive other than to and from (15 minutes).
TL/DR, how much does a very rough track impact your spring rate decision with XIDAs?
I want to go XIDAs, I ran them on my last car out here in the 700/400 variety, because at the time that was the go to. I know that now more people are running 800/500 for 200tw track use.
With 99% of my track time being on a very bumpy track, does it make sense to stick with 700/400 vs going stiffer? For reference the 700/400 xidas were like a cloud compared to 700/400 bilsteins. I'm thinking go 700/400 race xidas and run on the high side of the recommended ride height to keep as much travel as I can. My goal is a fun track toy, not competing, but I also don't street drive other than to and from (15 minutes).
TL/DR, how much does a very rough track impact your spring rate decision with XIDAs?
1. Does street ride quality matter at all?
2. Weight w/ driver?
3. Tire size and model?
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