concealer404

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Got logs showing how many seconds you had that bad bitch bound for space?

That said, my send boner is turgid over your commitment to huck. But this all sounds a lot different from "manhole covers," or "railroad tracks" or "crowns in an intersection" as was previously referenced. I do encounter a lot of those on my way to meet up with my Grindr boo thang, though.

leboeuf

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I had to look at how much money helper springs are on Xidas. $220 for everything... Seriously $55 a corner... That's like base cost of materials. We'll find a way to argue about anything.
The next step up is a set of Penske's at ~$1k/corner for just the damper. In the scheme of product development/etc, $2k for Emilio's setup is priced pretty competitively.

Savington

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Ryan's old Feal setup. Every time the helper decompresses, the main spring would have come loose. Every time the helper decompresses, it's helping the shock do its job

@concealer404 pls explain

emilio700

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Helpers cause autism

doward

But bro I can't spend more on the dampeners and coils than i spent on the WHOLE CAR!

shuiend

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On a side note, I have 4 gopro sessions on the way to me with a remote. Planning on setting them all up to watch suspensions at the same time. I can go hit some bad roads and we can watch what happens with various setups.

concealer404

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That's not something i'm arguing against, nor have i. I feel like i'm in the twilight zone. Maybe we're talking about "unseating" in a different way. When i, and most people who i've now been discussing this with use the term "unseating" as it pertains to a spring, we're talking catastrophic unseating, where it does not return to where it's supposed to sit. Doesn't happen.

I can mirror what's shown in that video by hooking two fingers under my fender and pulling up with one hand. Since we love garage tests.

And if we do want to argue about that....

Helper decompressing means the main spring has less than the ~200lbs of load to hit block height, not the zero load required to come loose.

concealer404

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That DOES feel ultra bad.


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Savington

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...no. Only you use that term ('unseating') to mean that ('catstrophic unseating which does not rectify itself'). If the spring comes unseated, I assure you that the 2400lb automobile will reseat it quite effectively. Only you have perceived that as a point of contention.

The issue is that if it ever comes unseated, nothing is pushing the shock down. If you go all the way back to Dan's post, and read the sentence after the one you bolded, he said exactly that.

Can we be done now?

concealer404

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I ninja-edited. I'll post here for your pleasure.

Doppelgänger

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Guys, calm down lol. Damn this is MT I remember....but it was always roasting of The Newbs, not battle of the OGs lol.

Again. I'm not going for top-notch stuff, just something that can handle my wreckless *** on the street haha. I don't want to continue to polish the front wheel wells from the springs being too soft, or the rears to buck the car into the air over a bridge transition at 90mph.. I don't mind a stiff setup, nor do I mind if it can be adjusted to the oversteer-side of neutral.

So what are the real-world issues with FCMs? (Personal opinions aside)

concealer404

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I'm not OG. I just like discussing **** wiff mah frens.

Polishing the wheelwells means your suspension is working properly, from what i've learned on these forums.

Real world issues with the FCMs? Magic cloak 'n' dagger sauce with a side of maybe snake oil and million dollar rebuilds. If your budget allows for new good coilovers, don't mess around with used stuff. The savings will go **** up in the wrong direction the first time they need a service.

icantlearn

I has question. Im probably gonna get owned but fuckit.

Well, wouldn't the unsprung weight be pulling the shock down? Surely the wheel/tire/knuckle is hefty enough to top out the shock. The valving/rebound zone of the shock when its nearly topped out is very mild anyways, so it wouldn't take much to move the shock the rest of the way. The momentary split second the main spring becomes unloaded doesn't seem significant enough to unseat itself.

My blast pants are on. fire away.

Caterpillar

Maybe there is enough weight to pull the assembly down tot the ground when you actually lift a wheel.. But the moment the wheel hits the ground and supports its own weight there is no longer any pressure on that tire. No pressure on the tire is no grip/control. The Tender/helper spring is there to actually keep pressure on the tire while it is just touching the ground.

flier129

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Mike, I know your driving first hand. I have a good idea of the type of driving you do and will do. My $0.02, Xidas are the best option for you given your situation.

icantlearn

im not saying that it wont help performance. im saying that that hundredth/tenth of a second where the main spring becomes uncompressed doesn't seem like enough to unseat it.

Savington

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Maybe not, but it also doesn't matter. Whether or not the spring comes unseated is sort of immaterial. A loose main spring is a symptom, the disease is poor wheel control. Extending the shock as far as possible, as fast as possible, is the goal of the helper.

Doppelgänger

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Your reply is taken with much respect, and is definitely a large contributing factor in deciding that the Xida Race with 800/500 springs will be what goes on the MSM...along with a couple of other new parts- swaybars and endlinks. I'm looking forward to being able to enjoy driving the car and not be held back by the suspension. Even with typical MSM crappy power delivery/ECU, I can have plenty of fun in the twisties until I can get some kinda better engine management...and eventually get back to running a 2560 or whatever the new hotness is of equivalent size.

imperialgolem

For me helpers has sense if you drive fast on trashy and rough tarmac. On smooth surfaces does not give benefits.

Savington

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sigh. The surface would have to be flawless. Laguna is an FIA Superbike-rated track, the smoothest pavement in CA by far, and there are several places there where helper springs would be highly beneficial.

IOW, I know of no race track on the planet where helpers would not be helpful.