TowerCrisis

Trying something new to replace my bilsteins. I poked around on the internet and couldn't find a single review of these for Miatas, however they seem quite popular in other circles. No mention of these on this forum too.

I just ordered their Type 1M coilovers with adjustable tophats and helper springs. I got the Sport Low version which can drop 120mm lower than stock when maxed out. Their 2M version has a remote reservoir but I figured it wasn't worth it for an additional $1000. One thing I am quite excited about is that they offer lift cups for their coils. That is a future upgrade I plan on getting to try and protect my carbon bumper and splitter.

They appear to make a high quality product, I will update here with photos upon arrival in a couple weeks. The overall cost with the additions I got was $1530.

Here's to hoping the tophat adjustment lets me fit my 15x11's... me ->

Arca_ex

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These look like just more of your standard modular body rebranded dampers probably out of the same factory in Taiwan. The description is generic. The picture they have for the Miata coilovers aren't even for Miata SLA suspension. They're struts. The top hats likely aren't going to be "adjustable" like they say, that's a feature for adjusting camber in a McPherson strut type suspension. All of the features list looks like it's copied and pasted to every coilover product page that they have. There's probably a good reason there are no reviews for Miatas and they will likely suffer from all the same problems of not enough shock stroke and droop travel just like all the other dual adjustable cup type modular coilovers. You were getting close to saving enough for Xidas...

Good luck though.

TowerCrisis

Yeah, their specific product page is indeed generic, I'll give you that. I did want to point out a few things though.

They specifically refer to the tophats as Pillow ***** (for macpherson struts as you mentioned) or camber plates depending on model. They test all their shocks, and they are all made to order, and choose valving depending on your needs. They've been around since 2008 and their coilovers are used by teams in various racing classes including GT3. Their owner is an enthusiast and they have a good reputation for their BBK's.

I've reached out to plenty of companies looking for the right balance between performance and cost and Ceika seemed decent. I'm just wrapping up a custom chassis and suspension as part of my job (which I'd love to share here once I get the O-K from my boss) and we've spent months dialing in suspension dynamics. I know what I'm doing in terms of suspension tuning, but I do realize I'm taking a risk by getting something "unknown" to our platform. If it bites me in the ***, so be it, I won't complain.

Also, Xidas are stupid expensive. I'm not about to blow $2500 on coilovers when I'm saving for a FFS kit

concealer404

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What do you think camber plates do on a Miata, exactly?

Midtenn

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ELBJ makers hate this secret

capitalcrew

I know what I am doing -> I'm saving for a FFS kit

Arca_ex

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Okay first off, camber plates ARE FOR macstrut cars. Pillow ball just refers to the type of spherical bushing in the top hat, and can be found on both fixed and adjustable camber plate type top hats. You say you do chassis and suspension for work? But don't know why "adjustable top hats" are non existent on SLA cars? SLA stands for Short-Long-Arm by the way.

It sounds like you read their little blurb on the website but nobody in actual GT3 classes that are competitive are using Taiwanese modular parts bin type coilovers. Those fields are dominated by real motorsport grade hardware like Moton, AST, Ohlins, and motorsports divisions of larger OE level suspension manufacturers. Maybe they slapped a set of coilovers on an older 996 cup car at an HPDE event or something? Who knows. Couldn't find what car they were on.

You were less than a grand away from Xidas. Wasn't that big of a jump. Also the fact that you actually want to try an FFS kit instead of putting together a proven turbo setup speaks volumes about your ability to research others past experiences with this platform...

Stock

More like strut TowerCrisis, AMIRITE

msmola2002

So, you haven't seen them yet?

Scaxx

All my wat. You say you work in motorsports but you consider Xidas "stupid expensive"??? Xidas are cheap af dawg. I'm not going to get into the problems with the rest of that post but I'm going to assume that you are actually adjacent to the suspension and chassis side of things or just starting out. Because that's how it reads, Dunning-Kruger can be a real bitch.

rleete

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Ouch.

ConeCrasher

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[QUOTEAlso, Xidas are stupid expensive. I'm not about to blow $2500 on coilovers when I'm saving for a FFS kit [/QUOTE]


The cost of xida’s are like the cost of a divorce.

They are worth it

TowerCrisis

Jees you guys are feisty. I understand clowning on me is all in good fun, I'm not taking it personally.

I'm not in competitive motorsports, I'm in OEM automotive. Those of you who know would know, the non-competitive OEM world doesn't revolve around performance nearly as much as you'd think. For the model vehicle I'm working on now the end user could buy new complete struts for less than $1000. So yes, in my book xidas are not "affordable," at least not for what I plan on doing with the car.


And yes, I know camber plates are used for MacPherson suspensions. I also know they don't alter camber on double wishbone suspensions. I'll admit this jab kind of irked me since it implies I'm an idiot. Don't get me wrong, I am, but for different reasons. I need camber plates because I'm fitting 15x11 Jongbloeds and I need every millimeter of inboard space. If you're going to clown on me for anything it should be for such a ridiculous wheel size lol.

Joke about the FFS kit all you'd like, I live in California and every major mod I'm doing will be CARB legal because I will not be hot smogging. That limits my options to only a few kits, and the FFS is what I want. I already own a turbo car, I don't need another. Of course I'm sneaking in other power adders here and there, but it will all pass visual inspection and the tailpipe sniffer.


This actually had me rolling, I'll take it.

msmola2002

I was more amused by you saying in the 10krpm BP thread you had an open budget for a billet crank and full custom rods and pistons but you won't spend another 1k on dampers because you are saving for an SC, no less one from a dude who doesn't understand the laws of thermodynamics

concealer404

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And yet.... you persist.

aidandj

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Are you worried about the wheel hitting the spring...?

aidandj

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Which color did you get?

TowerCrisis

They’re silver, and yes they currently touch the spring. They can probably fit with a ~5mm spacer and by tilting the coilover inwards. They do fit with a 15mm spacer but I want to minimize how wide it tracks.

Yes I know that engine thread is a bit far fetched. It’s a good long term goal I have, and I will eventually make it happen. That’s for when I inevitably blow this engine up.

aidandj

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Man I would have gone with blue. $92 extra for silver seems like a waste.

TowerCrisis

Oh duh, I thought you were asking about the wheels. I didn’t waste money on silver and went with their stocked blue ones