Catastrophic clutch failure - learn from our mistake
#1
Catastrophic clutch failure - learn from our mistake
So the Mazda Miata is known to be a particularly powerful car in the world.
Despite that, we have discovered a clutch manufacturer out there than can sell a product marketed as "Stage 1 Racing clutch" incapable of handling Miata power levels.
The car in question is a standard 2001 Mazda Miata.
The clutch failed at just 160kms/100miles. All the friction material disintegrated, peeling away from the clutch plate and leaving little more than a powder inside the gearbox.
We contacted the supplier but they have refused to respond, and sadly the clutch is from the USA (we're in Australia) so I can't go down the street and say hi.
So at the moment we are out of pocket for a failed clutch, for a new clutch, for machining the flywheel, and the effort to replace the clutch.
This was the clutch we bought:
XTD Stage 1 Clutch P Lite Flywheel KIT 1990 1993 Miata MX 5 1 6L | eBay
Distributors For Clutches | Clutch Kit Suppliers | Buy Online Clutches - XTD Clutch
And this is it, 100kms later:
Heed my warning, avoid.
Despite that, we have discovered a clutch manufacturer out there than can sell a product marketed as "Stage 1 Racing clutch" incapable of handling Miata power levels.
The car in question is a standard 2001 Mazda Miata.
The clutch failed at just 160kms/100miles. All the friction material disintegrated, peeling away from the clutch plate and leaving little more than a powder inside the gearbox.
We contacted the supplier but they have refused to respond, and sadly the clutch is from the USA (we're in Australia) so I can't go down the street and say hi.
So at the moment we are out of pocket for a failed clutch, for a new clutch, for machining the flywheel, and the effort to replace the clutch.
This was the clutch we bought:
XTD Stage 1 Clutch P Lite Flywheel KIT 1990 1993 Miata MX 5 1 6L | eBay
Distributors For Clutches | Clutch Kit Suppliers | Buy Online Clutches - XTD Clutch
And this is it, 100kms later:
Heed my warning, avoid.
#2
That's just simply a case of
"If you can't afford to do it right.....how are you going to afford doing it twice."
When I think about how much money I am willing to spend on a part I always consider how much effort it is to replace that part and how critical it is if that part were to fail. I wouldn't change a Miata clutch for anywhere near the amount saved by buying cheap clutch parts.
"If you can't afford to do it right.....how are you going to afford doing it twice."
When I think about how much money I am willing to spend on a part I always consider how much effort it is to replace that part and how critical it is if that part were to fail. I wouldn't change a Miata clutch for anywhere near the amount saved by buying cheap clutch parts.
#3
Quick google search shows MANY unhappy XTD clutch buyers. Always a good idea to check reviews before buying from ebay, esp if the product is 25% of the cost.
and sadly the clutch is from the USA (we're in Australia)
Your distributor may be here but I'd bet the parts are made somewhere much closer to you. Parts made here are generally good.
and sadly the clutch is from the USA (we're in Australia)
Your distributor may be here but I'd bet the parts are made somewhere much closer to you. Parts made here are generally good.
#4
Is the 2001 in Australia a 1.6? You linked to a 1.6 clutch, which I could see having problems if you tried using it with a 1.8 flywheel.
This is exactly why I only recommend FM, ACT, of 949 clutches. They are slightly more expensive, but changing a clutch is a pita. The extra money is worth it so you don't have to go back and redo the work a week later.
This is exactly why I only recommend FM, ACT, of 949 clutches. They are slightly more expensive, but changing a clutch is a pita. The extra money is worth it so you don't have to go back and redo the work a week later.
#5
Seems like a case of getting what you pay for to me.
Like others, if I'm going to replace a part that requires substantial labour, and its failure will strand the car, I'm going to make damn sure that I buy something quality.
It really shouldn't be surprising that a $230 clutch kit, including flywheel, isn't.
And, yeah, if you did in fact put a 1.6 clutch into a 1.8 car, that isn't going to improve things, either.
Like others, if I'm going to replace a part that requires substantial labour, and its failure will strand the car, I'm going to make damn sure that I buy something quality.
It really shouldn't be surprising that a $230 clutch kit, including flywheel, isn't.
And, yeah, if you did in fact put a 1.6 clutch into a 1.8 car, that isn't going to improve things, either.
Last edited by TalkingPie; 03-16-2015 at 11:10 AM.
#13
6UL wheels come to mind. However, the engineering firm that is designing and ordering them from China suppliers takes the appropriate measures to ensure the over seas factory produces quality parts.
Crap quality control, engineering practices, and material selection = Crap parts regardless of where they are produced.
#15
So the Mazda Miata is known to be a particularly powerful car in the world.
Despite that, we have discovered a clutch manufacturer out there than can sell a product marketed as "Stage 1 Racing clutch" incapable of handling Miata power levels.
The car in question is a standard 2001 Mazda Miata.
The clutch failed at just 160kms/100miles. All the friction material disintegrated, peeling away from the clutch plate and leaving little more than a powder inside the gearbox.
We contacted the supplier but they have refused to respond, and sadly the clutch is from the USA (we're in Australia) so I can't go down the street and say hi.
So at the moment we are out of pocket for a failed clutch, for a new clutch, for machining the flywheel, and the effort to replace the clutch.
This was the clutch we bought:
XTD Stage 1 Clutch P Lite Flywheel KIT 1990 1993 Miata MX 5 1 6L | eBay
Distributors For Clutches | Clutch Kit Suppliers | Buy Online Clutches - XTD Clutch
And this is it, 100kms later:
Heed my warning, avoid.
Despite that, we have discovered a clutch manufacturer out there than can sell a product marketed as "Stage 1 Racing clutch" incapable of handling Miata power levels.
The car in question is a standard 2001 Mazda Miata.
The clutch failed at just 160kms/100miles. All the friction material disintegrated, peeling away from the clutch plate and leaving little more than a powder inside the gearbox.
We contacted the supplier but they have refused to respond, and sadly the clutch is from the USA (we're in Australia) so I can't go down the street and say hi.
So at the moment we are out of pocket for a failed clutch, for a new clutch, for machining the flywheel, and the effort to replace the clutch.
This was the clutch we bought:
XTD Stage 1 Clutch P Lite Flywheel KIT 1990 1993 Miata MX 5 1 6L | eBay
Distributors For Clutches | Clutch Kit Suppliers | Buy Online Clutches - XTD Clutch
And this is it, 100kms later:
Heed my warning, avoid.
If "xtd" ,"racing"or "f1" they sell them all around the World,only with different names and painted in different colours
The ebay 6 paddles and stuff are also a cheap replica wich last till tommorow most times if you're lucky
The "stock looking/diameter" ones are often only painted (chinese)aftermarket clutches .
I heard many bad reviews about them in german Cars (vw ,bmw.audi).....
On the other side some People drive them under hard abuse and with huge Hp Numbers ,for a long time and without any Problem.....
But hey if i need a new "performance Clutch " i will go the proven Route like Fm ,Act.
It's often cheaper if you do it the right way first Time
Changing Clutches isn't neither that fun on a Miata when i'm thinking about the 4 Skrews on Top of the Tranny
#17
Aren't the cheap "ebay" clutches mostly the same (stock structure) ?!
If "xtd" ,"racing"or "f1" they sell them all around the World,only with different names and painted in different colours
The ebay 6 paddles and stuff are also a cheap replica wich last till tommorow most times if you're lucky
The "stock looking/diameter" ones are often only painted (chinese)aftermarket clutches .
I heard many bad reviews about them in german Cars (vw ,bmw.audi).....
On the other side some People drive them under hard abuse and with huge Hp Numbers ,for a long time and without any Problem.....
But hey if i need a new "performance Clutch " i will go the proven Route like Fm ,Act.
It's often cheaper if you do it the right way first Time
Changing Clutches isn't neither that fun on a Miata when i'm thinking about the 4 Skrews on Top of the Tranny
If "xtd" ,"racing"or "f1" they sell them all around the World,only with different names and painted in different colours
The ebay 6 paddles and stuff are also a cheap replica wich last till tommorow most times if you're lucky
The "stock looking/diameter" ones are often only painted (chinese)aftermarket clutches .
I heard many bad reviews about them in german Cars (vw ,bmw.audi).....
On the other side some People drive them under hard abuse and with huge Hp Numbers ,for a long time and without any Problem.....
But hey if i need a new "performance Clutch " i will go the proven Route like Fm ,Act.
It's often cheaper if you do it the right way first Time
Changing Clutches isn't neither that fun on a Miata when i'm thinking about the 4 Skrews on Top of the Tranny
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