Big Brake Kit - Supporting Multiple Rotor Sizes
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Big Brake Kit - Supporting Multiple Rotor Sizes
We've been tuning our brakes on our endurance race car and after swapping between multiple rotor sizes/types we've decided to release a kit of our own. We made a batch of 10 kits to "test the waters" and we have 5 left. We also have a Dynapro Single installed on the rear of our car that we've had some interest in, but we haven't turned that into a "kit" per se.
The front kit us using the Wilwood Powerlite caliper and a bracket system we developed the kit can support the following rotors:
You can find more information on the kit here: https://ruggedbadger.com/product/miata-big-brake-kit/
The brackets are also available seperately if you already have a Wilwood Powerlite kit or calipers:
https://ruggedbadger.com/product/the...t-bracket-kit/
The front kit us using the Wilwood Powerlite caliper and a bracket system we developed the kit can support the following rotors:
- 235mm – ’90-93 Miata – 8.1lbs
- 255mm – ’94-05 Miata – 10.4lbs
- 270mm – ’01+ Sport Miata – 12.8lbs
- 280mm – ND Miata – 12.8lbs
- 281mm – Wilwood 11″ 2pc – 9.4lbs
- *294mm – ’12-’13 Mini Cooper S – 14.1lbs
- *298mm – Wilwood 11.75″ 2pcs – 10.2lbs
You can find more information on the kit here: https://ruggedbadger.com/product/miata-big-brake-kit/
The brackets are also available seperately if you already have a Wilwood Powerlite kit or calipers:
https://ruggedbadger.com/product/the...t-bracket-kit/
Last edited by LuckyKid; 06-09-2020 at 10:30 AM.
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You adjust for rotor size using spacers? Neat solution, but on the basis that the bigger rotor will be working the system hardest, how rigid is a stack of washers on a long bolt? I know cutting parts inventory is good business, but I'd pay extra for a mount tailored to my setup (whatever that was) - I just don't think I could trust that solution sufficiently. Maybe I am reading it wrong, maybe you can convince me otherwise, lets see ...
When I click on those images above, I get extra images with the Trackspeed logo ... I have no idea where these are coming from, but do you/your offering have any association with Sav or Trackspeed?
When I click on those images above, I get extra images with the Trackspeed logo ... I have no idea where these are coming from, but do you/your offering have any association with Sav or Trackspeed?
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You adjust for rotor size using spacers? Neat solution, but on the basis that the bigger rotor will be working the system hardest, how rigid is a stack of washers on a long bolt? I know cutting parts inventory is good business, but I'd pay extra for a mount tailored to my setup (whatever that was) - I just don't think I could trust that solution sufficiently. Maybe I am reading it wrong, maybe you can convince me otherwise, lets see ...
When I click on those images above, I get extra images with the Trackspeed logo ... I have no idea where these are coming from, but do you/your offering have any association with Sav or Trackspeed?
When I click on those images above, I get extra images with the Trackspeed logo ... I have no idea where these are coming from, but do you/your offering have any association with Sav or Trackspeed?
With the design of this bracket we exceed the strength of the OE Wilwood mount brackets. Each rotor size, except 90-93, uses one spacer set. We don't stack them, even if we did it won't change the overall strength of the assembled mount.
We use a 7075-T6 bracket material which is roughly 50% stronger than 6061-T6, then we use stainless steel threaded inserts with a 170ksi caliper bolts(>grade 8). When torqued to spec the assembled caliper-spacer-bracket creates a rigid box that is attached to a spindle. I will run the numbers again tomorrow, but our sheer strength exceeds that of other mounts.
I am not sure why Trackspeed images come up, we are not affiliated.
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Thanks LK. Not convinced - you may have the numbers on your side (I am sure you do, having got this far), but you have a bracket, and then a suite of tailored adapters/shims? Seems simpler just to have the brackets made to the correct size in the first place, job done. But you are making these not me, so you do it your way (no snark there, you are entitled to do it the way you want/think best.)
I'm still getting TS images of brake hardware - 13 images including yours. (Shrugs - no big deal, just a curiousity)
Will follow closely, I could do with upgraded stoppers ...
I'm still getting TS images of brake hardware - 13 images including yours. (Shrugs - no big deal, just a curiousity)
Will follow closely, I could do with upgraded stoppers ...
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The brackets with all the hardware and spacers are $249.00 If you just wanted spacers for one sizes rotor with associated hardware it would be $149.00. Brackets are 7075-T6 with Stainless Steel threaded inserts, Anodized Type II Blue.
Hardware is alloy steel 170 KSI (>Grade 8) with an aluminum zinc coating. The lock washers are a high-end NORDLOCK washer which we use on our endurance car. We are also including Loctite red and a 5/16 hex bit in the bracket only or complete kit as well.
If you are interested let me know and I can get a "product" up on the website.
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No judgement here, but do you have any concerns about the 7075 alloy being more brittle? We've toiled over this on our bracket. Strong is good, brittle is bad.
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But the real rub I might give second thought to is that 6061 is precipitation hardened (artificially aged) at a higher temperature than 7075 by a fair bit and for a shorter time -- 8hrs@350F vs 24hrs@250F. [10.1361/asmhba0001205]. Could be that the microstructure change from over-ageing will have a greater effect over a lesser number of caliper heat cycles for the 7075, which might lower it's tensile strength and thus fatigue life below 6061's at a certain # of heat cycles.
Just my 2¢.
#20
The only way to settle this is to have everyone buy the kits and test them: https://ruggedbadger.com/product/miata-big-brake-kit/
The study will have to last several years and should include lots of pictures and links to out website in posts on multiple social media platforms.
The study will have to last several years and should include lots of pictures and links to out website in posts on multiple social media platforms.