water to air intercoolers
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Hey all, I stumbled across an old water to air intercooler setup that jackson racing used to sell, and I see that KenneBell used to offer a supercharger setup with a liquid to air intercooler for Miata's. But I don't see anyone using them or offering them anymore. Is there any reason why nobody uses them?
Jim
Jim
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Hey all, I stumbled across an old water to air intercooler setup that jackson racing used to sell, and I see that KenneBell used to offer a supercharger setup with a liquid to air intercooler for Miata's. But I don't see anyone using them or offering them anymore. Is there any reason why nobody uses them?
Jim
Jim
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In the case of superchargers, wouldn't they be more effective though? Not necessarily more efficient, I'm thinking in terms of throttled volume. One of the problems (if you want to call it that) with adding an air to air intercooler to a supercharged engine is increasing the throttled volume, hurting throttle response.
Just thinking out loud, and looking for some discussion, pro or con. I want to supercharge my '01 Miata, and want the benefits of intercooling, without detracting from the throttle response and low end torque the supercharger offers.
Jim
Just thinking out loud, and looking for some discussion, pro or con. I want to supercharge my '01 Miata, and want the benefits of intercooling, without detracting from the throttle response and low end torque the supercharger offers.
Jim
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In the case of superchargers, wouldn't they be more effective though? Not necessarily more efficient, I'm thinking in terms of throttled volume. One of the problems (if you want to call it that) with adding an air to air intercooler to a supercharged engine is increasing the throttled volume, hurting throttle response.
Just thinking out loud, and looking for some discussion, pro or con. I want to supercharge my '01 Miata, and want the benefits of intercooling, without detracting from the throttle response and low end torque the supercharger offers.
Jim
Just thinking out loud, and looking for some discussion, pro or con. I want to supercharge my '01 Miata, and want the benefits of intercooling, without detracting from the throttle response and low end torque the supercharger offers.
Jim
You can have both air to air and throttle response by installing dual throttle bodies. See this thread in the Supercharger Forum. https://www.miataturbo.net/supercharger-discussion-38/supercharger-dual-throttle-project-42026/
Last edited by BarbyCar; 04-21-2010 at 10:04 AM.
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I thought you didn't want the noise of a supercharger.
You can have both air to air and throttle response by installing dual throttle bodies. See this thread in the Supercharger Forum. https://www.miataturbo.net/showthread.php?t=42026
You can have both air to air and throttle response by installing dual throttle bodies. See this thread in the Supercharger Forum. https://www.miataturbo.net/showthread.php?t=42026
Jim
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OEM's, for example the late model ford F-150 Lightning SVT, are using liquid to air intercoolers on some of their supercharged models. I also found a number of aftermarket supercharger kit builders using Liquid/air intercoolers in their kits.
Again, just trying to get some discussion going on the pro's and con's, I am not trying to argue with anyone. It just seems, at least on the surface, to be a viable option.
Again, just trying to get some discussion going on the pro's and con's, I am not trying to argue with anyone. It just seems, at least on the surface, to be a viable option.
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OEM's, for example the late model ford F-150 Lightning SVT, are using liquid to air intercoolers on some of their supercharged models. I also found a number of aftermarket supercharger kit builders using Liquid/air intercoolers in their kits.
Again, just trying to get some discussion going on the pro's and con's, I am not trying to argue with anyone. It just seems, at least on the surface, to be a viable option.
Again, just trying to get some discussion going on the pro's and con's, I am not trying to argue with anyone. It just seems, at least on the surface, to be a viable option.
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The biggest issue with a/w setups is the people don't realize how large of a heat exchanger they need to run.
With A/W you have to temperature deltas to deal with and you need to keep the water as close to ambient as possible to be efficient. Sadly most use similar sizes for the exchanger and intercooler which will result in warm water and poor efficiency.
I run a 26x7x2 heat exchanger and don't have any issues. I chose to do this to keep the throttle before the S/C and to have smallest throttled volume possible.
With A/W you have to temperature deltas to deal with and you need to keep the water as close to ambient as possible to be efficient. Sadly most use similar sizes for the exchanger and intercooler which will result in warm water and poor efficiency.
I run a 26x7x2 heat exchanger and don't have any issues. I chose to do this to keep the throttle before the S/C and to have smallest throttled volume possible.
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The biggest issue with a/w setups is the people don't realize how large of a heat exchanger they need to run.
With A/W you have to temperature deltas to deal with and you need to keep the water as close to ambient as possible to be efficient. Sadly most use similar sizes for the exchanger and intercooler which will result in warm water and poor efficiency.
I run a 26x7x2 heat exchanger and don't have any issues. I chose to do this to keep the throttle before the S/C and to have smallest throttled volume possible.
With A/W you have to temperature deltas to deal with and you need to keep the water as close to ambient as possible to be efficient. Sadly most use similar sizes for the exchanger and intercooler which will result in warm water and poor efficiency.
I run a 26x7x2 heat exchanger and don't have any issues. I chose to do this to keep the throttle before the S/C and to have smallest throttled volume possible.
What size is your IC core? Did you have one custom made or did you use an off the shelf part? Do you happen to have a photo of your setup?
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Hey, thanks for an informed answer. I am planning on an air to water IC for exactly that reason as well. I am planning on running a 6*6*3" core IC with a 2 quart coolant tank and the same size heat exchanger as you. Hopefully I will be happy with the results.
What size is your IC core? Did you have one custom made or did you use an off the shelf part? Do you happen to have a photo of your setup?
What size is your IC core? Did you have one custom made or did you use an off the shelf part? Do you happen to have a photo of your setup?
I don't have picture right now to post, but I can get one later.