NB2 vvt vics AVO gt2560 17psi - 264hp 253tq
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NB2 vvt vics AVO gt2560 17psi - 264hp 253tq
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02 NB2
94 block, VVT head, Vics manifold
stock (8.8?) pistons w/new rings
eBay rods w/arp bolts
ACL Race bearings stock size
AVO Cast manifold, 2560 Turbo w/billet compressor wheel (from S14 silvia)
2.5" downpipe, 3" catless exhaust, MT bigass magnaflow muffler.
MS3, FF640 injectors
93 octane gas.
today's best pull: 264 whp and 253 wtq at ~17 psi
Dyno run and timing map attached. (dont mind the super rich AFR, my MS3 was showing a solid 11.3-11.5 under boost. must be the dyno tailpipe sniffer). or my wideband. donno which one is not correct.)
What you guys think? any more power left in this snail? or maybe more timing?
02 NB2
94 block, VVT head, Vics manifold
stock (8.8?) pistons w/new rings
eBay rods w/arp bolts
ACL Race bearings stock size
AVO Cast manifold, 2560 Turbo w/billet compressor wheel (from S14 silvia)
2.5" downpipe, 3" catless exhaust, MT bigass magnaflow muffler.
MS3, FF640 injectors
93 octane gas.
today's best pull: 264 whp and 253 wtq at ~17 psi
Dyno run and timing map attached. (dont mind the super rich AFR, my MS3 was showing a solid 11.3-11.5 under boost. must be the dyno tailpipe sniffer). or my wideband. donno which one is not correct.)
What you guys think? any more power left in this snail? or maybe more timing?
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lol, no. At 22psi you're just overspeeding the turbo. The gains are minimal beyond 18psi on a 2560R. 30whp more power at this boost level is max shaft RPM for the turbo. There's proably 15-20whp in the intake manifold, all above 5500rpm, but there's nothing left in additional boost here.
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Any pointers on the timing map would be greatly appreciated.
lol, no. At 22psi you're just overspeeding the turbo. The gains are minimal beyond 18psi on a 2560R. 30whp more power at this power level is max shaft RPM for the turbo. There's proably 15-20whp in the intake manifold, all above 5500rpm, but there's nothing left in additional boost here.
here is the open loop table i had to run.
Running open loop for now, i tried closed loop, but it would oscilate by 2psi up and down, so still learning how to make closed loop work.
i think spool is decent, 200tq at 3250rpm is inline with most other 2560r dynos i see posted here. but i am sure closed loop will speed up spool and transient response.
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actually I didn't look at the plot close enough. saw peak torque around 4 hence that post. you're right, 200tq at 3200 is actually good, real good. the mani and dp on the avo kits had some serious cheater bends if I'm not mistaken.
I wouldn't push it further either, there are like a handful of miata's that hit 300 on a 2560, and all of them were pushed to the absolute limit. 22psi is way too much, ignore Marcello's post, you're totally fine.
timing map: why do you have a dip around idle? no need for that, if the car cant' idle steady without it, you've some idle tuning to do. also cruise cells can use 1-2*, and then you got the timing pretty aggressive from 100kpa-160kpa, but then it plumets 5* at 180. I don't really see why.
I wouldn't push it further either, there are like a handful of miata's that hit 300 on a 2560, and all of them were pushed to the absolute limit. 22psi is way too much, ignore Marcello's post, you're totally fine.
timing map: why do you have a dip around idle? no need for that, if the car cant' idle steady without it, you've some idle tuning to do. also cruise cells can use 1-2*, and then you got the timing pretty aggressive from 100kpa-160kpa, but then it plumets 5* at 180. I don't really see why.
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actually I didn't look at the plot close enough. saw peak torque around 4 hence that post. you're right, 200tq at 3200 is actually good, real good. the mani and dp on the avo kits had some serious cheater bends if I'm not mistaken.
I wouldn't push it further either, there are like a handful of miata's that hit 300 on a 2560, and all of them were pushed to the absolute limit. 22psi is way too much, ignore Marcello's post, you're totally fine.
timing map: why do you have a dip around idle? no need for that, if the car cant' idle steady without it, you've some idle tuning to do. also cruise cells can use 1-2*, and then you got the timing pretty aggressive from 100kpa-160kpa, but then it plumets 5* at 180. I don't really see why.
I wouldn't push it further either, there are like a handful of miata's that hit 300 on a 2560, and all of them were pushed to the absolute limit. 22psi is way too much, ignore Marcello's post, you're totally fine.
timing map: why do you have a dip around idle? no need for that, if the car cant' idle steady without it, you've some idle tuning to do. also cruise cells can use 1-2*, and then you got the timing pretty aggressive from 100kpa-160kpa, but then it plumets 5* at 180. I don't really see why.
The 12* at 1k rpm and 15* below, my tuner did that, he said the 15* will help catch the rpms if they dip too low. the tuner actually had 10* instead of 12*. i upped it to 12 while trying to combat a strange stalling problem i am having when coming to a stop with the clutch depressed. im still having this once is a while stalling.
ill interpolate 160-180-200, i think this will bring the numbers closer together. also set idle at 10*
better?
I will give this map a try later tonight, see how it idles and boosts in 180kpa area
AVO manifolds are actually pretty nice, cyl 2-3-4 points right at the turbo, only cyl 1 far away.
Ive seen the squared off Avo downpipes, i dont think i have one of those, mine looks like a normal 2.5" DP
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Thanks for the input, much appreciated.
took it out for a drive, seems to idle fine, time will tell.
playing with closed loop this weekend, following your megathread, but currently my head is in information overload. so much info in the EBC thread.
I dont think any boost is happening before 2k rpm, 2-3 psi maybe? so the wategate is closed by the spring anyhow.
took it out for a drive, seems to idle fine, time will tell.
playing with closed loop this weekend, following your megathread, but currently my head is in information overload. so much info in the EBC thread.
I dont think any boost is happening before 2k rpm, 2-3 psi maybe? so the wategate is closed by the spring anyhow.
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Thanks for the input, much appreciated.
took it out for a drive, seems to idle fine, time will tell.
playing with closed loop this weekend, following your megathread, but currently my head is in information overload. so much info in the EBC thread.
I dont think any boost is happening before 2k rpm, 2-3 psi maybe? so the wategate is closed by the spring anyhow.
took it out for a drive, seems to idle fine, time will tell.
playing with closed loop this weekend, following your megathread, but currently my head is in information overload. so much info in the EBC thread.
I dont think any boost is happening before 2k rpm, 2-3 psi maybe? so the wategate is closed by the spring anyhow.
I suggest you look up Greg's video about boost control.
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the ZERO number in that table below 2000rpm represent a fully open boost control solenoid, and at 2000rpm i am calling the solenoid to CLOSE to the value of 48 to start increasing boost.
for example, if that table had ALL zeroes in it, in every cell, then its basically not having boost control active and running off the wastegate mechanical spring.
The higher the number, the less air goes to the wastegate, the more boost you build.
and in open loop boost control, you cannot hold the wastegate shut until boost target, only closed loop does this, which i am currently experimenting with.