Ran my first SOLO event last weekend, SSM
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Ran my first SOLO event last weekend, SSM
Was meh.
Can somebody explain how to make 7.5hrs of standing around worth 4.5min of seat time? I know I must be missing something here as it's a really popular motorsport.
Can somebody explain how to make 7.5hrs of standing around worth 4.5min of seat time? I know I must be missing something here as it's a really popular motorsport.
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I like the intensity. If there was a track with 40+ turns/mile and large runoff to the walls/armco/etc I'd likely be all over it. And how you have 3-6 times to get it perfect after never having seen the course before.
Also, how much time did you spend shooting the **** and hanging out with with random car people, that arent waxers, you'd never met before? If it was under 5 hours, you're doing it wrong.
Also, how much time did you spend shooting the **** and hanging out with with random car people, that arent waxers, you'd never met before? If it was under 5 hours, you're doing it wrong.
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Welcome to why I hardly autox anymore. The only events I run are the test and tunes (as many runs as you can muster) and the 24 hour autox we have locally (also as many runs as you can muster, but for the runs you do have to work more)
Otherwise I stick t track events. I personally feel like they are more seat time for you buck anyways.
Otherwise I stick t track events. I personally feel like they are more seat time for you buck anyways.
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7.5 hours of standing around? That club is doing it wrong. I'm an officer, and show up at 7am, and get off site between 3 and 5 depending on whether we do fun runs(I'm ussually one of the last to leave, and first to show up). It should be possible to show up at 9, and be gone by 2.
I love the different course every event + 3-6 shots at the course to get it right. After 8 runs or so I'm bored. Also if your hands aren't shaking when you come off course, you're too slow.
I love the different course every event + 3-6 shots at the course to get it right. After 8 runs or so I'm bored. Also if your hands aren't shaking when you come off course, you're too slow.
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7.5 hours of standing around? That club is doing it wrong. I'm an officer, and show up at 7am, and get off site between 3 and 5 depending on whether we do fun runs(I'm ussually one of the last to leave, and first to show up). It should be possible to show up at 9, and be gone by 2.
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Autocross isn't for everyone. It is a good starting point because of the price and safety (can only go so fast in a parking lot), but when you compare it to the seat time you get with a HPDE or similar event, it simply doesn't compare.
If you are in it for seat time, it won't be worth it.
If you like to meet and hang out with some great people, it is worth it.
If you are in it for seat time, it won't be worth it.
If you like to meet and hang out with some great people, it is worth it.
#11
For me, It's about perfect since I love the competition and the adrenaline rush, but don't have the cajones to deal with someone else balling up my car. At least in autocrossing not only is it tough for me to total it, if someone does it's going to be me. I just don't think I could invest several thousand dollars and hundreds of hours, just to write it off.(and don't fool yourself, NEVER take to the track what you can't walk away from). Ya, the $$/track time suck, but drag racing is even worse. If I wanted to go to the track my investments would have to double since my wife drives with me.
Cliff's Notes: Yep, $$/track time suck, but it's the competition that drives me as much as the driving itself.
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Autocross is a good entry point into motorsports and it's always good to know who has a local one so you can shake down your car without resorting to breaking the law. I've been autocrossing for a few years, and comparing it to the track isn't exactly fair; however, I do agree that the $ (or hours)/seat time is pretty bad. Autocross will help and hinder you on the track, but the hindrance is easy to "unlearn" and the first-hand knowledge of how to react when the car is unsettled or sliding is worth the price of admission. The track is all about "slow hands", but being able to break out the "fast hands" from autocross when stuff is going awry can save your bacon on the track.
Just to look at it through a different lens: Think of autocross as 25% motorsport, 70% social, and 5% complaining about some arbitrary rule and being a semantic dick about things. Running in a competitive class definitely makes or breaks the experience once you have a dozen or so events under your belt.
It also helps to remember that you don't have go full-on autocrosser to get something out of it. Personally, I doubt I'll ever go to a Nationals event because my car is borderline legal in CSP, and I know I'm not going to be able to compete with people who literally bring 4+ sets of fresh A6 Hoosiers and have $80k into their Miata. It's all about balance and managing expectations.
Just to look at it through a different lens: Think of autocross as 25% motorsport, 70% social, and 5% complaining about some arbitrary rule and being a semantic dick about things. Running in a competitive class definitely makes or breaks the experience once you have a dozen or so events under your belt.
It also helps to remember that you don't have go full-on autocrosser to get something out of it. Personally, I doubt I'll ever go to a Nationals event because my car is borderline legal in CSP, and I know I'm not going to be able to compete with people who literally bring 4+ sets of fresh A6 Hoosiers and have $80k into their Miata. It's all about balance and managing expectations.
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I do feel like autocross is a good entry point and can be a lot cheaper than HPDE stuff, if you are content to be non-nationally competitive.
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Just to look at it through a different lens: Think of autocross as 25% motorsport, 70% social, and 5% complaining about some arbitrary rule and being a semantic dick about things. Running in a competitive class definitely makes or breaks the experience once you have a dozen or so events under your belt.
It also helps to remember that you don't have go full-on autocrosser to get something out of it. Personally, I doubt I'll ever go to a Nationals event because my car is borderline legal in CSP, and I know I'm not going to be able to compete with people who literally bring 4+ sets of fresh A6 Hoosiers and have $80k into their Miata. It's all about balance and managing expectations.
It also helps to remember that you don't have go full-on autocrosser to get something out of it. Personally, I doubt I'll ever go to a Nationals event because my car is borderline legal in CSP, and I know I'm not going to be able to compete with people who literally bring 4+ sets of fresh A6 Hoosiers and have $80k into their Miata. It's all about balance and managing expectations.
Also I'm not convinced that those who bring 4 sets of tires to nationals are really getting extra out of them.
#15
It depends on the class. A halfway decent CSP car? Not really you get 40 some odd runs before they really start to fall off. But like a stock class cobalt SS? sure you can cord the front tires in 12 runs at Lincoln because coarse concrete, no camber, tons of powah fwd. I can see 2 sets of tires, a set for the pro and time on the practice course and then a set for the championship. And of course having a set of H2O's on reserve with hoosier and a set of 15x9 for them to go on.
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It depends on the class. A halfway decent CSP car? Not really you get 40 some odd runs before they really start to fall off. But like a stock class cobalt SS? sure you can cord the front tires in 12 runs at Lincoln because coarse concrete, no camber, tons of powah fwd. I can see 2 sets of tires, a set for the pro and time on the practice course and then a set for the championship. And of course having a set of H2O's on reserve with hoosier and a set of 15x9 for them to go on.
#17
If you really like auto-x and the social aspect; may I recommend looking to get a gig as a tire warmer on a better prep'd car and going. Most of the stories and nicknames in our local club have stemmed from the out of town events than is healthy. Nationals is extremely fun: See Big Wheel Pro Solo.
#19
Talkin **** brah?!
Autox is not really that fun. As GAMO tells me, he goes for the people
I go to the test n' tunes (basically you run as much as you like). Track events are certainly more fun, but they are expensive. I would do atleast two autocrosses to get the mazda dev. membership for the year until you start doing TT (if you plan to).
Autox is not really that fun. As GAMO tells me, he goes for the people
I go to the test n' tunes (basically you run as much as you like). Track events are certainly more fun, but they are expensive. I would do atleast two autocrosses to get the mazda dev. membership for the year until you start doing TT (if you plan to).
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Standing around for 7.5 hours is nothing....Twice a year I tow my car to Nebraska...16 hours EACH WAY to stand around for a week
If you have to ask these questions...the sport just might not be for you. No harm no foul and to each their own. I personally don't get the folks that just do local events. I run more National level events than I do locals these days. The courses at National Events are just much more challenging, the competition is MUCH stiffer and the people are AMAZINGLY cool.
If you have to ask these questions...the sport just might not be for you. No harm no foul and to each their own. I personally don't get the folks that just do local events. I run more National level events than I do locals these days. The courses at National Events are just much more challenging, the competition is MUCH stiffer and the people are AMAZINGLY cool.