Question for those of you in the advanced group
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In NASATX we know who the DE4 guys are because they don't have "tt" on their cars. If I am passing and don't trust the guy in front if me, then I pass on the inside ofthe exit.
If you're in a white 300z (500whp) and don't "get it", then I'm going to block your *** on the straights, again.
If it's a TXMC buddy, I'll present the car and we can go side by side for a while if you want.
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Turn 6 going CCW is a great place for this at TWS. You can late apex that corner, you have a long straight to gain overlap (if you exit faster), and at the entrance to Turn 7 the slower guys will not brake as deep so you eventually get them under braking. I could take a corner-parker on a liter bike with my SV650 if I timed the T6 exit just right.
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I run in TT with NASA and still give a point by when I can. Most of the time though I really don't have to do much before they are by me. I do it as a courtesy to others and to keep up communication on track. I have never once had someone tell my that they preferred me not to do so.
I will say that my skills have improved dramatically since being forced into TT.
Have a great day,
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I will say that my skills have improved dramatically since being forced into TT.
Have a great day,
Jared
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I run in TT with NASA and still give a point by when I can. Most of the time though I really don't have to do much before they are by me. I do it as a courtesy to others and to keep up communication on track. I have never once had someone tell my that they preferred me not to do so.
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They separated TT from the DE4 guys here in the SE region, and have some combined DE3 and 4 groups - which can cause confusion if one forgets PBs are required, but it gives good experience to the DE3 guys when they're running the DE4 sticker on thier car. If I don't know the guy, I'll give him a PB - others/friends I'm comfortable with have to earn it
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I run in TT with NASA and still give a point by when I can. Most of the time though I really don't have to do much before they are by me. I do it as a courtesy to others and to keep up communication on track. I have never once had someone tell my that they preferred me not to do so.
I will say that my skills have improved dramatically since being forced into TT.
Have a great day,
Jared
I will say that my skills have improved dramatically since being forced into TT.
Have a great day,
Jared
The best thing to remember is that most of the guys running open passing have done this before, don't recognize your car if you're new, and know to use extra caution.
Right now I'm debating whether or not I want to pay $300 for 2-days for "Miata's at Hallett". I've gone every year but the prospect of poking around the track, waiting for someone to signal the conga-line of TT crew to pass, so we can train them is not soundign like a great idea. Then again, that's 4+ hours of open track on Friday, I should probably do it and burn-up 3 tanks of fuel.
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It's hardly "wild west", it's the natural progression of driver skill. To paraphase Savingpozhole, "If someone has run DE for a while/years and they can't handle open passing, I don't want to be on the track with them."
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That makes sense. From a beginner's standpoint, there's a lot going on on the track, a lot to pay attention to, and coupled with that you want to make sure you're aware of all the cars around you and what pace they are at, whether you need to point them by, etc. But also from personal experience I've seen that when you get out there, there's a flow to it and you get the hang of it pretty quick. Thinking about the advanced group's rules, it seemed a bit overwhelming to imagine the point-by not necessary environment, but as you said, advanced group is exactly that - people who are experienced and who aren't overwhelmed by it. Looking forward to one day being at that point myself. Long way to go though.
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That makes sense. From a beginner's standpoint, there's a lot going on on the track, a lot to pay attention to, and coupled with that you want to make sure you're aware of all the cars around you and what pace they are at, whether you need to point them by, etc. But also from personal experience I've seen that when you get out there, there's a flow to it and you get the hang of it pretty quick. Thinking about the advanced group's rules, it seemed a bit overwhelming to imagine the point-by not necessary environment, but as you said, advanced group is exactly that - people who are experienced and who aren't overwhelmed by it. Looking forward to one day being at that point myself. Long way to go though.
Same for open passing. Experience and familarity with other drivers makes it pretty much automatic. When someone new is added, I think we all follow the old adage "I'm ok, you're so-so" until they prove otherwise. You also get to know from experience, different cars capabilities, and thus where and when a proper overtake is best.
On our last event, I played in a pointby only group for a day. Biggest difference was there was more variance in overall speed and skill even with drivers of same makes (vettes). Once back in the open passing group, the skill/speed levels were much more consistent and it was actually more comfortable.
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