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Old 07-15-2018 | 08:46 PM
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Hey all

I was all set to install my poly diff mounts today and the guy who was helping me press them in thought it'd be a bad idea... he mentioned hitting curbs and such with poly diff mounts can break the diff housing? Has anyone heard of or experienced this? I'm not opposed to the mazdaspeed rubber ones, but I already have the energy poly bushings...

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Old 07-15-2018 | 10:24 PM
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Hitting a curb breaks the diff mounts, poly or no. There a weak spot on the diff housing to break away in an accident.

The biggest problem with poly diff is gear whine increases in the cockpit, along with typical nvh.
Old 07-16-2018 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gooflophaze
Hitting a curb breaks the diff mounts, poly or no.
Any data to go with statement?
Old 07-16-2018 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gee Emm
Any data to go with statement?
Look at the notch on the diff mounting arm...
Old 07-16-2018 | 10:32 AM
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Im running delrin diff bushings and been fine. Many others here are running poly or delrin without issues as well. Dont worry about it and put in the poly.
Old 07-16-2018 | 12:08 PM
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I run delrin, no issues.

I haven't heard of anybody having issues breaking a diff mount just running over curbing.
Old 07-16-2018 | 01:07 PM
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I think the fear is more hopping curbs (think turn 3 at Road Atlanta) or riding really tough curbs (turn 10 road Atlanta) but I wanted to be sure I wasn't crazy for thinking they'd be fine.
Old 07-16-2018 | 02:17 PM
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I think the guy who was helping you press them in doesn't know much about cars.
Old 07-16-2018 | 02:55 PM
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Like we discussed yesterday, I've had ES poly in my diff for ~7 years. Along with many RA T3 curb jumpings, diff has not broken yet. You good fam
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Marcus jumped my car with delrin diff bushings. I don't think the diff broke, but i haven't looked. On the other hand that was 2 years ago and i imagine i would have noticed something.
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Sorry - I was imagining a street curb. But the statement stands - if it's a strong enough jolt to break a mount, it won't matter if it's poly or rubber.
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Dont hit curbs
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Originally Posted by matrussell122
Dont hit curbs
Do you even drift, bro?
Old 07-17-2018 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by concealer404
Marcus jumped my car with delrin diff bushings. I don't think the diff broke, but i haven't looked. On the other hand that was 2 years ago and i imagine i would have noticed something.
You willingly let Marcus drive your car? Lol

So, poly diff bushings it is. Thanks all.
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Originally Posted by matrussell122
Dont hit curbs
Always hit curbs (on the race track)
Old 07-18-2018 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by M2Ken
Look at the notch on the diff mounting arm...
So, no data.

I know about the notch. I raced for years with poly diff bushes, using the kerbs aggressively - no broken diff. The only broken diff I know about first hand happened when a car got rear-ended and the diff was hit by the other car.
Old 07-18-2018 | 09:25 PM
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Someone explain to me how hitting a curb is going to snap the carrier housing? That is not a moving part of the suspension.

I can see having crappy OEM engine mounts that allow the weight of the engine/trans to load the diff carrier when fitted with Poly/Delrin. Not a good situation indeed.

FWIW I ride curbs all the time with Delrin diff mounts. Never had an issue. Then again I run BFW drop mounts. Prior to that I was on AWR mounts.
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I hit a kerb and broke the diff carrier once.

Physically hit the kerb.

As in, I dropped a wheel and physically struck the bottom of the diff, with a kerb, with the full weight of the car, plus any additional force from inertia.

Any kerb that can be hit hard enough with the tires to damage the diff carrier is going to **** up so many other things first that the diff carrier will be an afterthought in your repair plans.
Old 07-25-2018 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Savington
Any kerb that can be hit hard enough with the tires to damage the diff carrier is going to **** up so many other things first that the diff carrier will be an afterthought in your repair plans.
My thoughts exactly...
Old 07-26-2018 | 09:46 AM
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Most of the broken diff carriers we've seen come from bump drafting that became something closer to ram drafting.
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