Oil cooler tech
#321
Beautiful. ~90C ABS starts to weaken. ~105C it weakens more (Tg or glass transition). Oil temps will likely reach these values so I would recommend another material if possible.
http://www.nrri.umn.edu/NLTC/ABS07.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition
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If you have good airflow and an insulated / gasketed gap you can probably get away with ABS. PC or PC/ABS mix will raise the temp as you can gain ~50C or ~20C respectively on the glass transition temperature.
http://www.nrri.umn.edu/NLTC/ABS07.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition
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If you have good airflow and an insulated / gasketed gap you can probably get away with ABS. PC or PC/ABS mix will raise the temp as you can gain ~50C or ~20C respectively on the glass transition temperature.
#324
Some prerequisites for a kit (IMHO)
The heat issue needs resolution one way or another, and there may be a need to protect the plastic from rocks and debris off the tyre, but that may be as simple as providing mounting points for purchasers to mount their own aluminium shield as and if they wish (or maybe that is too trivial for the 'can do' folk on here).
- Fit NA+NB
- Some testing to assure a) durability and b) efficiency/effectiveness.
The heat issue needs resolution one way or another, and there may be a need to protect the plastic from rocks and debris off the tyre, but that may be as simple as providing mounting points for purchasers to mount their own aluminium shield as and if they wish (or maybe that is too trivial for the 'can do' folk on here).
#327
Mishimoto Oil cooler kit.
Has anyone besides them done any testing on it yet. They have redone it a couple of times since the univeral release. They've incorporated a duct at the undertray with mesh for protection. Granted, it only has a 10 row core, but uses 10an lines, larger than FM and better airflow than FM too. It shouldn't increase engine pressure that much I think.
They are having a massive sale 30% off and I might spring for it because it would be around $345 shipped
http://m.mishimoto.com/mazda-miata-oil-cooler-kit-99-05.html
http://engineering.mishimoto.com/2015/09/mazda-miata-nb-oil-cooler-rd-part-2-oil-cooler-shroud-and-duct-development/
Has anyone besides them done any testing on it yet. They have redone it a couple of times since the univeral release. They've incorporated a duct at the undertray with mesh for protection. Granted, it only has a 10 row core, but uses 10an lines, larger than FM and better airflow than FM too. It shouldn't increase engine pressure that much I think.
They are having a massive sale 30% off and I might spring for it because it would be around $345 shipped
http://m.mishimoto.com/mazda-miata-oil-cooler-kit-99-05.html
http://engineering.mishimoto.com/2015/09/mazda-miata-nb-oil-cooler-rd-part-2-oil-cooler-shroud-and-duct-development/
#328
Our experience with Mishimoto products has not been favorable. They do appear to be improving since the catch can we received from them that was non-functional. As in, whomever designed it didn't know how a catch can works. Just a shiny can with some fittings. Radiators that don't fit. Fans that disintegrate, etc
Setrab and TSE OTOH.. that is a no brainer. Don't skimp on your oil cooler.
Setrab and TSE OTOH.. that is a no brainer. Don't skimp on your oil cooler.
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I've had the same experience. They had a thread on cr.net with some statements about their testing procedure that were just wrong. Testing the warm up time without driving (no air through the cooler) and similar.
#332
They basically used the same location as FM, just with a custom air duct. The location worries me though. I haven't had an off course track incident yet, but it'll happen eventually because that's racing. That duct will turn into a nice shovel plow.
I haven't had any over heating issues yet with my stock MSM cooling system. I just wanted to gather some input on it and see if anyone had any decent luck with it. I wouldn't call it cheaping out considering they do use some quality parts and that price tag.
I really dislike fabricating all the time and was just looking for a solid plug and play solution like my moss kit on the NA.
I haven't had any over heating issues yet with my stock MSM cooling system. I just wanted to gather some input on it and see if anyone had any decent luck with it. I wouldn't call it cheaping out considering they do use some quality parts and that price tag.
I really dislike fabricating all the time and was just looking for a solid plug and play solution like my moss kit on the NA.
#334
They basically used the same location as FM, just with a custom air duct. The location worries me though. I haven't had an off course track incident yet, but it'll happen eventually because that's racing. That duct will turn into a nice shovel plow.
I haven't had any over heating issues yet with my stock MSM cooling system. I just wanted to gather some input on it and see if anyone had any decent luck with it. I wouldn't call it cheaping out considering they do use some quality parts and that price tag.
I really dislike fabricating all the time and was just looking for a solid plug and play solution like my moss kit on the NA.
I haven't had any over heating issues yet with my stock MSM cooling system. I just wanted to gather some input on it and see if anyone had any decent luck with it. I wouldn't call it cheaping out considering they do use some quality parts and that price tag.
I really dislike fabricating all the time and was just looking for a solid plug and play solution like my moss kit on the NA.
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#335
Hate to play the devils advocate, especially with you Emilio since I respect everything you have done for the platform. Has anyone compared this oil cooler core vs a setrab equivalent? Or even emailed them and asked them if it is a debaged Setrab? Flow testing? Like I almost want to get it to test things out just. I mean, I currently run an eBay FMIC and downpipe and a joes CAI intake on my MSM. Car works beautifully and flawless over the past 2 yrs. Yet, I am the devil because, I didn't buy Begi or FM, in the MSM world.
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In other words, feel free to do that testing and share it with the community. Controlled A-B testing with inlet/outlet temps measured and datalogged in relation to ambient air temp. With all due respect, I won't waste my time trying to justify the functionality of a Setrab cooler compared to some off-brand knockoff core.
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