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RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
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What an atrocious rule. I get the intent, but it turns RM2 into a motor-swapping contest. Whoever can make 300whp for the longest on a stock motor wins, or whoever brings the most spare motors wins.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
I was hoping with the joining forces of all the different events that some unity would come. Right now it just seems like giant clusterfuck of random madness.
I think a 250whp average for RM2 would be a good limit, stock or built motor. I don't know the best way to actually test and enforce that.
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What an atrocious rule. I get the intent, but it turns RM2 into a motor-swapping contest. Whoever can make 300whp for the longest on a stock motor wins, or whoever brings the most spare motors wins.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
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What an atrocious rule. I get the intent, but it turns RM2 into a motor-swapping contest. Whoever can make 300whp for the longest on a stock motor wins, or whoever brings the most spare motors wins.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
Edit: let's also remember this is a brand new series, and I'm confident rules will be modified after 2019. As competitors push the limits of of the classes I'm sure rules will get more specific and hopefully more fair for everyone.
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I think the folks at Gridlife, or at least the fb group moderator, underestimate how much effort competitors will put into this competition. Before I personally lift a finger to prep a car for any competition anywhere, I want to have a clear understanding of the rules and no ambiguities.
I'd rather get an up front clarification on some clever interpretation and have it pre-banned than showing up with crossed fingers with a mod that's in the gray area. I always assume we will be in contention for the class win and will be scrutinized by tech accordingly.
I'd rather get an up front clarification on some clever interpretation and have it pre-banned than showing up with crossed fingers with a mod that's in the gray area. I always assume we will be in contention for the class win and will be scrutinized by tech accordingly.
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What an atrocious rule. I get the intent, but it turns RM2 into a motor-swapping contest. Whoever can make 300whp for the longest on a stock motor wins, or whoever brings the most spare motors wins.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
RMU is beyond the scope of Rover's build, RM2 would have been perfect if not for that. Alas.
1. ND1 Miata with tune and bolt ons
2. ND2 Miata with tune and bolt ons
3. ND1/2 Miata with any FI
4. NC Miata w/ 2.5L Swap tune and bolt ons
5. Rotrex NA/NB Miata's
6. NC Miata with any form of FI
7. NC Miata with tune, bolt ons and E85
All those examples make above 200 bhp and don't explode w/ stock block. It could be a possibility that they aren't designing the class specifically for a hardcore few at MT.net.
Regardless, it's great to finally get a Miata specific class. Like mentioned, putting Miata's up against C7's, M3's, S2K's, C6z06's doesn't make much sense.
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If its for fun, its for fun. If going all out on your build and traveling all across the country for a couple pieces of carved wood trophies is what you're after... more power to ya, but you're ruining it with all the pedantic over analysis. The rules for gridlife have always been loose and there's always been plenty of people still signing up and having fun.
I'm just glad I can go run track events with my friends who drive the big-boy stuff. With some semblance of a chance at being competitive, that is.
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Here's a list of cars that will make 200 HP and not die yet will fit into the class:
1. ND1 Miata with tune and bolt ons
2. ND2 Miata with tune and bolt ons
3. ND1/2 Miata with any FI
4. NC Miata w/ 2.5L Swap tune and bolt ons
5. Rotrex NA/NB Miata's
6. NC Miata with any form of FI
7. NC Miata with tune, bolt ons and E85
All those examples make above 200 bhp and don't explode w/ stock block. It could be a possibility that they aren't designing the class specifically for a hardcore few at MT.net.
1. ND1 Miata with tune and bolt ons
2. ND2 Miata with tune and bolt ons
3. ND1/2 Miata with any FI
4. NC Miata w/ 2.5L Swap tune and bolt ons
5. Rotrex NA/NB Miata's
6. NC Miata with any form of FI
7. NC Miata with tune, bolt ons and E85
All those examples make above 200 bhp and don't explode w/ stock block. It could be a possibility that they aren't designing the class specifically for a hardcore few at MT.net.
This isn't to tend for the hardcore few at MT.net, this is for the people who have made some reliability mods to their track NA/NB. I believe the reasoning behind this is flawed as well..."someone with a built BP can change their tune and run 300+ to cheat" . If someone really wanted to crank their tune on their OEM block to ~300 to cheat in the class they can.
I think the first year will be great and everyone will have a good time. If the series wants growth than some checks and balances will have to be put in place along with a more detailed rule-set. Have a built engine in RM1 or RM2? You'll need to provide a dyno-sheet before the event and datalogs if your times are questioned.
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Yeah, that ^
If its for fun, its for fun. If going all out on your build and traveling all across the country for a couple pieces of carved wood trophies is what you're after... more power to ya, but you're ruining it with all the pedantic over analysis. The rules for gridlife have always been loose and there's always been plenty of people still signing up and having fun.
I'm just glad I can go run track events with my friends who drive the big-boy stuff. With some semblance of a chance at being competitive, that is.
If its for fun, its for fun. If going all out on your build and traveling all across the country for a couple pieces of carved wood trophies is what you're after... more power to ya, but you're ruining it with all the pedantic over analysis. The rules for gridlife have always been loose and there's always been plenty of people still signing up and having fun.
I'm just glad I can go run track events with my friends who drive the big-boy stuff. With some semblance of a chance at being competitive, that is.
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The fact is simply not everyone has the amount of resources you, Andrew or a lot of other guys here have. I think a stock motor, low boost class makes sense.
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And I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying that in general Gridlife has always been a more relaxed racing series compared to the west side's stuff. There's no real prizes, no contingency etc., everyone's kind of just there for fun.
The fact is simply not everyone has the amount of resources you, Andrew or a lot of other guys here have. I think a stock motor, low boost class makes sense.
The fact is simply not everyone has the amount of resources you, Andrew or a lot of other guys here have. I think a stock motor, low boost class makes sense.
As it stands, for example. No one here knows for sure what Gridlife means by "stock block". Everyone has an opinion but no one knows 100% for certain.
We have reached out to the guys at Gridife and offered to help clear up some of the potential loop holes. They accepted our consultation.
The outline of the rule set and intention are good. Just need to make some clarifications is all. We don't really care what mod is or isn't legal in a given class.
We'll have many folks calling us asking us for advice and parts for RM. Right now we are in the dark, as are you. Hopefully that will change.
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Your area has more money than my area apparently :P.
So the longevity of a 275hp BP won't change if it's oem vs aftermarket components? I'll answer that for you... No, oem won't last as long as properly built engine. Also 200hp=/=275hp, stop comparing 200hp engines for a 275hp class, that's naive even for GL.
If one just wants to have fun, why even compete at all? Just go out in HPDE with your buddies and have fun.
So the longevity of a 275hp BP won't change if it's oem vs aftermarket components? I'll answer that for you... No, oem won't last as long as properly built engine. Also 200hp=/=275hp, stop comparing 200hp engines for a 275hp class, that's naive even for GL.
If one just wants to have fun, why even compete at all? Just go out in HPDE with your buddies and have fun.
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86Cup has a midwest and norcal variant, ran inside Gridlife at a couple events in the Midwest. The key is, those series all have rules that much more thoroughly assess the specific platform, many with a spec tire or gentleman's tire, more than 3 classing levels, etc.
The current RM rules have gaps in the power levels, a Stock Engine rule in a class that allows swaps, etc...
"Two aero elements in the front" PLUS canards. So, three aero elements in the front. not 2?
"Suspension is limited to two/three adjustments" Well, Camber, Caster and Toe are adjustable from the factory. Ride height would be a 4th adjustment. Rebound damping 5th, compression damping 6th.
Either way, I love entry level competition formats as much as the next guy. I am in the business of selling parts to help people go win entry level competition formats. I just wish these rules made more sense, but i'm probably arguing semantics in a "just for fun" safe space class created so the Miatas wouldn't get beat so badly in the "real" gridlife classes.