HPDE / track day safety gear flow chart !!
#81
Fatality at Buttonwillow
cliff note:
HPDE event at Buttonwillow
E46 came out of Esses, spun around and hit corner station sideway.
car has a cage, 5/6 pt harness, race seat.
but no roll bar paddings, no HANS, no halo seat, no center net, no window net.
driver dead, passenger in hospital 2 weeks plus.
cliff note:
HPDE event at Buttonwillow
E46 came out of Esses, spun around and hit corner station sideway.
car has a cage, 5/6 pt harness, race seat.
but no roll bar paddings, no HANS, no halo seat, no center net, no window net.
driver dead, passenger in hospital 2 weeks plus.
#82
Based upon everything I've seen -- and also what I did on the red car to convert it to dedicated track use -- it's not really feasible to swap back and forth between the OEM airbag steering wheel and a track steering wheel. So, would the safe answer to running something like a Momo on the street in a 1990 Miata be to install non-breakaway 3 points? Non-breakaway belts are available from Mazda.
Another thing I noticed is that my 1990 has original breakaway belts on both the driver's side (with airbag) and the passenger's side (without airbag but with a bit more distance before there is something to hit).
So . . . ???
Non-breakaway belts for sure if there is no airbag. You can buy one, or you can modify the breakaway by removing the stitching (carefully). Probably not as safe as the stock setup, but wayyy better than flying into the steering wheel at speed.
Edit: Obviously this shouldn't be used for track use.
#83
I didn't think swapping the steering wheel was really that labor intensive or irreversible, unless somehow you screwed up the airbag harness when swapping to racing wheel.
Non-breakaway belts for sure if there is no airbag. You can buy one, or you can modify the breakaway by removing the stitching (carefully). Probably not as safe as the stock setup, but wayyy better than flying into the steering wheel at speed.
Non-breakaway belts for sure if there is no airbag. You can buy one, or you can modify the breakaway by removing the stitching (carefully). Probably not as safe as the stock setup, but wayyy better than flying into the steering wheel at speed.
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William posted the TrackHQ link. The tl;dr is that an E46 M3 dropped wheels at an assumed ~110mph and went passenger door first into a corner worker station. Car was caged and occupants were in FIA seats, but there were no nets, no containment halos, and no HNRS devices. Driver was (assumed) dead on impact, passenger expected to survive but ended up in the hospital. Based on what I know, my speculation is that the driver was killed because he didn't have head/neck restraint in a massive side impact.
My reaction to HPDE deaths is to buy whatever safety gear would have had a chance at preventing the death. In this case, that's a containment seat (I already have a HANS). Ordered it yesterday along with new Schroth ProfiII-6H belts.
My reaction to HPDE deaths is to buy whatever safety gear would have had a chance at preventing the death. In this case, that's a containment seat (I already have a HANS). Ordered it yesterday along with new Schroth ProfiII-6H belts.
#87
William posted the TrackHQ link. The tl;dr is that an E46 M3 dropped wheels at an assumed ~110mph and went passenger door first into a corner worker station. Car was caged and occupants were in FIA seats, but there were no nets, no containment halos, and no HNRS devices. Driver was (assumed) dead on impact, passenger expected to survive but ended up in the hospital. Based on what I know, my speculation is that the driver was killed because he didn't have head/neck restraint in a massive side impact.
My reaction to HPDE deaths is to buy whatever safety gear would have had a chance at preventing the death. In this case, that's a containment seat (I already have a HANS). Ordered it yesterday along with new Schroth ProfiII-6H belts.
My reaction to HPDE deaths is to buy whatever safety gear would have had a chance at preventing the death. In this case, that's a containment seat (I already have a HANS). Ordered it yesterday along with new Schroth ProfiII-6H belts.
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Not driving it on the street with the containment seat. I will swap it in for events and remove it afterwards. Going to try out the PCI adjustable bracket that bolts to the factory seat mounts and should give me enough adjustment to put the seat in the car without cutting/bashing anything too badly.
Not hard, you just have to have specific things to protect against them. Same as any other impact. Frontal impacts are HNRS, rear impacts are the seat, side impacts are sidenets and/or containment seats. I can't put a side net in this car without cutting up the HVAC/dashboard, and I don't have a solid point to attach it to anyway, so a current FIA containment seat is the best I can do.
Not hard, you just have to have specific things to protect against them. Same as any other impact. Frontal impacts are HNRS, rear impacts are the seat, side impacts are sidenets and/or containment seats. I can't put a side net in this car without cutting up the HVAC/dashboard, and I don't have a solid point to attach it to anyway, so a current FIA containment seat is the best I can do.
#89
What are your guys thoughts on building a removable halo section or containment section with the same construction design as the ultrashield but that attaches to the roll bar with something like collars for track days? It would all be welded together with a TIG. I'm running Sparco Sprints with schroth 6pt and waiting on the new Schroth flex to come OUT.
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It would have to attach to the seat to be effective. Your seat moves a huge amount in an accident (unless it's aluminum and fastened to the cage in several places), so a halo attached to your rollbar might do more harm than good.
#94
I see the need, but I have a hard time throwing down $1300 just for a hans.
What lower cost options are viable?
How's the zamp, team vallahalla, leatt, simpson? Any other alternatives?
Are any of them worthwhile, or is hans really the only way to go?
What's the cheapest effective full containment seat that fits in a miata?
What lower cost options are viable?
How's the zamp, team vallahalla, leatt, simpson? Any other alternatives?
Are any of them worthwhile, or is hans really the only way to go?
What's the cheapest effective full containment seat that fits in a miata?
#97
I'd imagine it would bolt up to the Ultrashield since the designs are very similar.
The part number is 00900S for the sheetmetal type, and 00900T for the tubular type.
Check out the 00900T in this thread.
The Schroth Flex SHR has a fixed lower and sliding upper tether, so I'd expect it to be in the same realm as the Necksgen which has a similar setup. I've heard that the fixed lower tether design fares better in lateral accidents than the single sliding tether like the HANS, but someone else would have to point to more concrete info.
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HANS paid big money to sanctioning bodies to have rules written to exclude competitors.
That doesn't qualify them as better. Arguably, it reduced the number of quality and safety improvements that may have come through more competition.
That doesn't qualify them as better. Arguably, it reduced the number of quality and safety improvements that may have come through more competition.