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Hey guys,
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
this could be a great thread if no one F**ks with it too much.....![Thefinger](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/thefinger.gif)
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traders welcome to put in their two bobs (if mods dont mind)
the challenge begins
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
this could be a great thread if no one F**ks with it too much.....
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traders welcome to put in their two bobs (if mods dont mind)
the challenge begins
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Brake setup I plan to run on my track car. Mini Cooper parts FTW!!! Thanks to bbundy for sharing the information on this setup...
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/2
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/2
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Let's see your results.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
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Let's see your results.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
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For 80% street 20% track i would totally stick to stock, or 1.8 brake setup which the OP has. (99 right?)
I have gone through:
Hawk hps- Were decent till i hit the track my third time ever then they died.
Carbotech xp10s front xp8s rear- This was my favorite setup of all so far. I was under stock power at the time but they were amazing. Once turbo, i killed a set in a day :(
Carbotech xp12s front xp10s rear- This was a great setup for a long while for me. I only recently began getting serious taper on my pads forcing me to upgrade to a BBK.
Now i run the TSE willwood setup and went through a set of carbotech xp12s on them. They feel peddle wise about the same however both pads wear at the same pace which is key here.
Cons of carbotechs- Price, squeaky
Pros of carbotechs- Low dust, non corrosive dust and a simple garden hose can wash the dust off after track days.
That said I am now going to test out the new Hawk DTC-30 pads on the front and blacks on the back. Gary at track dog racing uses this same setup on his 290whp NB, so i figured i would give that a shot since this setup is about 1/2 the price of a carbotech setup.
Ill be taking measurements of pads, rotors, and track time to see how they last to the carbotechs.
I have gone through:
Hawk hps- Were decent till i hit the track my third time ever then they died.
Carbotech xp10s front xp8s rear- This was my favorite setup of all so far. I was under stock power at the time but they were amazing. Once turbo, i killed a set in a day :(
Carbotech xp12s front xp10s rear- This was a great setup for a long while for me. I only recently began getting serious taper on my pads forcing me to upgrade to a BBK.
Now i run the TSE willwood setup and went through a set of carbotech xp12s on them. They feel peddle wise about the same however both pads wear at the same pace which is key here.
Cons of carbotechs- Price, squeaky
Pros of carbotechs- Low dust, non corrosive dust and a simple garden hose can wash the dust off after track days.
That said I am now going to test out the new Hawk DTC-30 pads on the front and blacks on the back. Gary at track dog racing uses this same setup on his 290whp NB, so i figured i would give that a shot since this setup is about 1/2 the price of a carbotech setup.
Ill be taking measurements of pads, rotors, and track time to see how they last to the carbotechs.
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Let's see your results.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
I have a spreadsheet comparing different vendor's prices on various race pad options. I was considering posting it, but Im not sure it's appropreiate. For now still on 1.8 brakes, and being mad at the constant pad taper until I can afford a proper bbk.
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if not do you mind emailing or pm'ing the details to me???
I have good performance pads on her now with slotted rotors in the front, these work well until the 8th-10th lap at my fav track in which i pull in early to let them cool down, hence why im considering an upgrade....
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Hi,
i built my own kit with 4 piston calipers from a porsche boxster ( model 986) and discs from a renault clio 2.0.
The piston-size from the caliper is the same like a 996-caliper but the whole caliper is smaller.
The disc in 280x24mm fitts with a 7x15 OZ UL wheel without a spacer. You only need centerrings, the offset of the renault disc is 44mm, the stock disc has 45mm. Bore is the same 4x100mm.
I decided to use these parts because you can get them at every porsche and renault dealer and there are many options for pads and discs.
I use Tarox F2000 discs with pagid orange pads. It works fine, its cheap and you can use the pads for endurance races.
![](http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3573/1781/21430890254_large.jpg)
Rear (ebc turbo groove and yellowstuff)
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But if you use your car only 20% at track and its not a typical gp-course, its easier to use a ebc turbo groove disc with a ebc yellowstuff pad and a some piping for cool air at the brake.
i built my own kit with 4 piston calipers from a porsche boxster ( model 986) and discs from a renault clio 2.0.
The piston-size from the caliper is the same like a 996-caliper but the whole caliper is smaller.
The disc in 280x24mm fitts with a 7x15 OZ UL wheel without a spacer. You only need centerrings, the offset of the renault disc is 44mm, the stock disc has 45mm. Bore is the same 4x100mm.
I decided to use these parts because you can get them at every porsche and renault dealer and there are many options for pads and discs.
I use Tarox F2000 discs with pagid orange pads. It works fine, its cheap and you can use the pads for endurance races.
![](http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3573/1781/21430890254_large.jpg)
Rear (ebc turbo groove and yellowstuff)
![](http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3573/1781/21430890253_medium.jpg)
But if you use your car only 20% at track and its not a typical gp-course, its easier to use a ebc turbo groove disc with a ebc yellowstuff pad and a some piping for cool air at the brake.
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I've only experience greenstuff and HP+'s on autox courses.
Greenstuff - inexpensive, quite, not dirty, but not fun to modulate and didnt bite as well
HP+ - fairly inexpensive, good pedal feel, they bite, easy to modulate, but can lockup easy at the low autox speeds, lots of dust, and they squeak.
I'm upgrading to 01+ sport brakes and going with some xp10s in the front and xp8s in the rear when I get pads next
. Ill reply my initial thoughts when I get it all installed
Greenstuff - inexpensive, quite, not dirty, but not fun to modulate and didnt bite as well
HP+ - fairly inexpensive, good pedal feel, they bite, easy to modulate, but can lockup easy at the low autox speeds, lots of dust, and they squeak.
I'm upgrading to 01+ sport brakes and going with some xp10s in the front and xp8s in the rear when I get pads next
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Hey guys,
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
Ive been looking at all the different brake upgrades available for my NB8A & wanted to know what everyones opinions are on all the options....
im looking for pro's & cons of each kit
replacement prices & availability (as im in australia)
how well they work & wear
street use v's track use (as my car is being built for 80% street ((daily driven)) 20% track)
front kit v's front & rear in terms of need
adjustments that have made a good brake kit better....
& price v's how much better the products are in comparison....
M-Tuned kit, $120, no rotors or pads included. Converts to 11" Corrado rotor. Should be available down under, I think the same rotor came on some Passat or something. Pros, cheap. Cons, still uses the stock caliper.
Trackspeed BBK (see my sig). $600, no rotors or pads included. Converts to 11" Corrado rotor. Pros: cheapest wilwood-based BBK (stock caliper is the primary source of most braking issues with the car). Cons, doesn't fit under as many wheels as we'd like.
Goodwin BBK, $1000-$1500 depending on options. pads and rotors included, IIRC. Converts to an 11" 2-piece rotor and Wilwood caliper. Pros, fits the most wheels. Cons, expensive.
V8R BBK, $2000+. I know they include rotors, not sure on pads. Converts to 11.75" 2-piece rotor. Pros, biggest brakes available for the car. Cons, expensive.
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You can get the workpiece at mbt-Engineering, or maybe he remember my bracket and can do it again. Yes, its cast. He had my wheel hub and one of my ronal rims to adapt.
But i needed these cast brackets for our TÜV (like CARB), DIY alloy brackets would be cheaper.
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You can get the workpiece at mbt-Engineering, or maybe he remember my bracket and can do it again. Yes, its cast. He had my wheel hub and one of my ronal rims to adapt.
But i needed these cast brackets for our TÜV (like CARB), DIY alloy brackets would be cheaper.