Help!! My Intake Valves Keep Wearing Out!
#61
I'm confused about your statement re: factory shims. I was always under the impression that you shim as required to achieve a seat pressure (which is what I think BogusSVO was showing). Shims are shims. Is there something special about the OEM shims? Or are you saying to make darn sure it is checked and adjusted as needed? I can see how a machine shop would be tempted to skip this step on a vanilla rebuild.
By measuring and shimming to your own spec you can use whatever shim(s) you need to.
#66
Stupid question, sorry...
Factory shims.. Are we talking about these? (With an arrow next to it)
I mean, these are only 0.02" (0.5mm) thick.
How would such a tiny height reduction make a difference in spring rate?
Yes, I just found all 16 of these in a box of parts (I had received from the machine shop) left over from the time when I switched over to Supertechs. Guess they did not think they were necessary.
And, I had bigger fish to fry at the time, so I never checked...
Factory shims.. Are we talking about these? (With an arrow next to it)
I mean, these are only 0.02" (0.5mm) thick.
How would such a tiny height reduction make a difference in spring rate?
Yes, I just found all 16 of these in a box of parts (I had received from the machine shop) left over from the time when I switched over to Supertechs. Guess they did not think they were necessary.
And, I had bigger fish to fry at the time, so I never checked...
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You're not missing anything. I'm having some real problems with this "fresh" engine -- and I shouldn't be. We're just trying to figure it out. It did exactly the same thing on ST valves and springs that it did on the OEM valves and springs (in other words, the OEM wasn't any better or worse). I'm obviously not a happy camper.
#71
Gents, I just pulled the head and posted some pics and videos on the other thread:
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...en-warm-82232/
https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...en-warm-82232/
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Something else to keep in mind, the stiffer the springs, the more force you add with the shims. It's a linear relationship. So, adding that shim to ST light doubles has more effect than on ST singles which, in turn, has more effect than on stock springs.
And I can tell you that the shims were left out on my September head rebuild.
And I can tell you that the shims were left out on my September head rebuild.
#75
Something else to keep in mind, the stiffer the springs, the more force you add with the shims. It's a linear relationship. So, adding that shim to ST light doubles has more effect than on ST singles which, in turn, has more effect than on stock springs.
And I can tell you that the shims were left out on my September head rebuild.
And I can tell you that the shims were left out on my September head rebuild.
Now onto the next question. What spring pressure should you run with a BP5A cam?
#76
Machine shop pulled my head apart today. ST singles without OE valve shims.
Curious along with K24madness as to what is the recommended Valve seat pressure for BP5a cam, and does anyone have the part number or place to acquire a set of OE shims?
(If anyone has a set laying around PM me!)
Curious along with K24madness as to what is the recommended Valve seat pressure for BP5a cam, and does anyone have the part number or place to acquire a set of OE shims?
(If anyone has a set laying around PM me!)
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#77
Is there a current discussion on this issue on a different thread as I am interested in what people have found out now that it is 4 months later. I am fixing to install some 1+ overs and was thinking about just using the inconel exhaust with OEM intakes. I would like to also use the 1+ intakes if the suggestions above fixed the problem.
#78
I ended up going +1mm intake and exhaust, but Manley not Supertech. Supertech light double springs, stock shim over bucket, bp5a intake, stock exhaust cam. Will be a zippy N/A motor for now, eventual TSE turbo. Motor is being swapped this week. Will report on findings over next few months.
#79
Is there a current discussion on this issue on a different thread as I am interested in what people have found out now that it is 4 months later. I am fixing to install some 1+ overs and was thinking about just using the inconel exhaust with OEM intakes. I would like to also use the 1+ intakes if the suggestions above fixed the problem.
I run heavy double ST valve springs without the shims (opps). Reved the engine to 8,800 about 200 times, put about 2,000 miles on it. Broke a piston 3 weeks ago and checked the head, valves all seal perfect.
My guess is if you're vavles are tightening up, it's due to a machining error. Something is wearing in causing the clearances to tighten.