Aero balance with trunk "lip" ... CSP style
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Aero balance with trunk "lip" ... CSP style
I have a spare trunk that I'm willing to sacrifice to build a trunk lip CSP style until I can spare the change for an APR. Now my question is what would be a good hieght/angle in the rear to start with that would balance with a 3-4'' extrusion splitter? The splitter I'm building goes to the oil pan, mushroom shape style.
I read somewhere (although I forget) that 6'' 45* is a good place to start and build it with turn buckes to adjust if needed. Would it be better to go with a higher lip with less angle to reduce drag than making a shorter one with a more upright AOA?
edit: oh, and this is for track use. my local track is fairly low speed (straight about 110MPH) and fastest corner is maybe 75 on exit. The rest are 30-55. I will be doing portland/seattle this summer though which is quite a bit higher speed with more sweepers. Car makes 230whp right now and will make a but more soon.
I read somewhere (although I forget) that 6'' 45* is a good place to start and build it with turn buckes to adjust if needed. Would it be better to go with a higher lip with less angle to reduce drag than making a shorter one with a more upright AOA?
edit: oh, and this is for track use. my local track is fairly low speed (straight about 110MPH) and fastest corner is maybe 75 on exit. The rest are 30-55. I will be doing portland/seattle this summer though which is quite a bit higher speed with more sweepers. Car makes 230whp right now and will make a but more soon.
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Good question, I've been wondering the same in the back of my head.
I'm also wondering if this falls into the category for an aftermarket trunk lip spoiler for MC - and therefore only +.5 points - as long as it is less than 6" vertical height from lowest point on trunk to top of the spoiler...
Interested if anyone has used this style spoiler on the big tracks.
I'm also wondering if this falls into the category for an aftermarket trunk lip spoiler for MC - and therefore only +.5 points - as long as it is less than 6" vertical height from lowest point on trunk to top of the spoiler...
Interested if anyone has used this style spoiler on the big tracks.
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I know after driving a CSP with and without one, and the spoiler really improved the balance in transition. Though all the competitors in CSP run without a hardtop, so the aero effects on the track will be different.
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I feel like the other downside to the trunk lips like those as opposed to say, a stock trunk with a 3-4" CSP style lip on it is the width - and I bet the sides is where you get the most benefit.
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Make it as wide as you can to catch the "clean" air that isn't effect by cabin. If you have access to enough material, it would be interesting to test a few different size spoilers. Most of the competitive auto-x cars with spoilers run the spoiler the full width of the body (at the widest point). The problem how to keep the spoiler rigid outside the width of the trunk.
Working on a friends XP car and we are building a wicker-bill/spoiler to compliment his wing. We are going with a 3 piece design. The two ends will be permanently attached to the car and the 3rd piece (attached to the trunk) will sit in front of the end pieces.
Working on a friends XP car and we are building a wicker-bill/spoiler to compliment his wing. We are going with a 3 piece design. The two ends will be permanently attached to the car and the 3rd piece (attached to the trunk) will sit in front of the end pieces.
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nice picture Falcon!
I am cheap. The ends are made from aluminum tubing from osh (orchard supply hardware). The back brackets are made from 3/4" wide aluminum strips bent and thats .090 ABS plastic. All high class stuff. I made it between the tour and pro in Packwood in 2007 or so? The car was left on site and I bought a trunk and made the spoiler, threw it in a friends trailer and attached it when I arrived Friday night! I have since tested a few other spoilers but have always gone back to the original!
see you in Lincoln or maybe Packwood,
Scott Fraser
OK back to looking up Megasquirt stuff for my street car
I am cheap. The ends are made from aluminum tubing from osh (orchard supply hardware). The back brackets are made from 3/4" wide aluminum strips bent and thats .090 ABS plastic. All high class stuff. I made it between the tour and pro in Packwood in 2007 or so? The car was left on site and I bought a trunk and made the spoiler, threw it in a friends trailer and attached it when I arrived Friday night! I have since tested a few other spoilers but have always gone back to the original!
see you in Lincoln or maybe Packwood,
Scott Fraser
OK back to looking up Megasquirt stuff for my street car
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Not opposed, just can't afford it right now. I'm unemployed and in school so the motto is going fast for as humanly cheap as possible. All my expendable income goes to brake pads and track day fees right now. I figure the spare trunk I have and a CSP style duck tail should be better than nothing until I can pick up a nice APR or something...