I polish the shock towers front and rear with 225/45s and 205/50s. As far as I'm concerned, 225/50s don't fit on a Miata.

 

Hustler, I would like updates on your situation. AKA the Emilio tax.

 

I only run NB's and he runs an NA. I think he's got the wrong PT racer.

 

So we can blame Andrew for the TSE Tax?

No biggie, even if I can only drive 80% as well and my car is 80% as prepped and 30lbs heavier, I still have a chance in the Midwest, I hope...

 

Do you have to take the points for a 6 speed and LSD if your car came stock with them? Am I to assume that any thing that didn't come on a BASE model takes points?

 

I blame everyone equally.

Yeah, it's Andrew. My limits are 2370lb and 142whp. I'm 8lb over and 1hp under. I won't have a set of SM6 until November or September when I get another set of 6ULs. I have room to run a 225 A6, but don't have the dollars and may not have job after May. I may try the Conti take-offs if that happens but for now they are junk rubber.

I'm going to TWS in TTD for fun on 2-year old, power-cycled NT-01s, just for the pleasure of driving. I should still get under the SM record, just won't destroy it. It's hard to believe a TTD car is this fast.

 

6spd and LSD are free only if you class as an MSM at 2600# comp weight. Otherwise yes, you take points for those items. The LS, SE, Club Sport, R package, Sport package are all trim packages, not a separate model like the MSM.

 

Posting this on the interweb? I guess that ship has sailed/eggs broken to make the omelet/???

 

The weight NASA added to the MSM is right there in the current rule book. Any of the guys who have a real chance at Miller in a Miata this year already understand this stuff. The new guys that haven't figured out the intricacies of PT rules yet and thus won't be as competitive as the guys that have, can still use a little help.

 

It was a 50lb penalty a year ago when I discovered it. Now it's ~200.

 

It was a good run guys, time to pack it up.

 

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Just referring to all of the weight penalties that have added up over the past year or two for Miata PTE cars.

 

(back from the dead some) Anyone know anything about 2014 rules?

I sent Greg an e-mail recently about a few items and his response is worrying to some extent. There is a number of items I thought are backdateable, but he is saying they are not:

1) intake manifolds and exhaust manifolds are not backdated without approval (and in this case they rarely are).
2) engines cannot be backdated/updated without a dyno reclass (this is to clarify a statement made earlier). So you cannot run an 01+ long block in a 99 WITHOUT dyno reclassing...
3) the BTM rule on exhaust piping is basically to keep the stock pipes. Its not explicitly stated, but its kind implied that [example] if i go out and have an exhaust guy recreate the stock pipes then put in the stock muffler and resonator, then +2 for exhaust modification would still apply. That seems not in the spirit of the BTM rules...
4) The accepted "removal" of a stock cat is to gut it and keep the stock pipe intact or you will incur the exhaust points as well.
5) changes in 2014 rules will disallow backdating sport brakes to a 99/00 miata. No details given on how that will happen. This isn't too big I don't think for the regular TTE/PTE guys, but it maybe more of an issue for endurance.

 

So maybe just build an NB2?

 

yea, I think that maybe the way to go for PTE miatas in the future. The worry though is maybe they are putting the NB2 miatas as a seperate BTM (which would disallow backdating NB2 parts) and either applying a weight penalty or a 7 pt penalty.

 

Wow that kinda sucks. I have approval on the exhaust manifold from a few years ago so hopefully it still works. Sucks about the brakes too although I have an email about those too.
I'm not planning to run much PT anymore anyway but don't want to change a bunch of stuff should I decide to race with NASA.

 

Oops, I have a set of '03 calipers and brackets and a master, booster and prop valve sitting in the garage ready to put on my TTE '99; AND I don't have 3 points to spare.
Less than 5 weeks until our first TX event, in the past how early have the rules been finalized for the next year?

 

not sure, I would assume they are going to finalize rules before the first events. Its not unheard of for them to change things mid-season though.

I think brakes are +2 btw.

 

Looks like the 2013 rules were posted to nasaforums on Dec. 10 last year. Hopefully the 2014 rules will be out in the next week or two.