Trackspeed build plan
#1
Trackspeed build plan
Well after a ton of reading I thing I have my plan worked out. Thought I would post it for critique. I will document the build when it starts.
Car is a bone stock 94 with 145,000 miles. Factory hard top, torsen. No a/c, power steering, cruise control, or ABS from the factory. My initial plan was to try and keep it low hp and build a second engine but everything I read says the stock rods won't last. So in an attempt to do it somewhat right I am going to collect all the parts and pull the engine for a rods and refresh build so I do not waste a perfectly good block and time. Then I can also do the oil pan return right and the clutch at the same time. I will have to cut a few corners due to budget. This is a street car and I currently do not have plans to track it. HP 275ish?
Current parts paid for:
Trackspeed EFR kit on order
Reverant MS on order
Force flow injectors
EBay intercooler(cut corner on this). This one and it looks pretty good. 27 25"x6 75"X2 5" Aluminum Chrome Fmic Bar Plate Front Mount Turbo Intercooler | eBay
AEM wideband
GM IAT
Still need to buy:
Clutch (leaning towards FM 2)
Intercooler pipping, clamps, silicone couplers
Rods, rings, bearings, gasket kit
3" exhuast
AEM boost gauge
6 speed
Things I am considering buying:
Ignition (LS Coils?)
Better oil pump
Pistons
Damper
Oil cooler
fuel pump
Spent so far
$2,700 for the car
$1,000 on RPF1 and tires
$4,700 ish on current paid for parts.
$8,400 so far and I probably will need another $4,000-6,000 to finish the engine and buy the remaining parts.
Then there is suspension, brakes, roll bar (maybe), steering wheel and seats $5,000-7,000?
I honestly think a V8 or K swap might have made more sense. Especially since I could probably have sold my 94 1.8 engine off pretty easily. Or buy a used S2000/ Vette
What do you guys think of my plan? Additional things I am over looking? I love the little thing but man is this costing a lot more than I expected.
Car is a bone stock 94 with 145,000 miles. Factory hard top, torsen. No a/c, power steering, cruise control, or ABS from the factory. My initial plan was to try and keep it low hp and build a second engine but everything I read says the stock rods won't last. So in an attempt to do it somewhat right I am going to collect all the parts and pull the engine for a rods and refresh build so I do not waste a perfectly good block and time. Then I can also do the oil pan return right and the clutch at the same time. I will have to cut a few corners due to budget. This is a street car and I currently do not have plans to track it. HP 275ish?
Current parts paid for:
Trackspeed EFR kit on order
Reverant MS on order
Force flow injectors
EBay intercooler(cut corner on this). This one and it looks pretty good. 27 25"x6 75"X2 5" Aluminum Chrome Fmic Bar Plate Front Mount Turbo Intercooler | eBay
AEM wideband
GM IAT
Still need to buy:
Clutch (leaning towards FM 2)
Intercooler pipping, clamps, silicone couplers
Rods, rings, bearings, gasket kit
3" exhuast
AEM boost gauge
6 speed
Things I am considering buying:
Ignition (LS Coils?)
Better oil pump
Pistons
Damper
Oil cooler
fuel pump
Spent so far
$2,700 for the car
$1,000 on RPF1 and tires
$4,700 ish on current paid for parts.
$8,400 so far and I probably will need another $4,000-6,000 to finish the engine and buy the remaining parts.
Then there is suspension, brakes, roll bar (maybe), steering wheel and seats $5,000-7,000?
I honestly think a V8 or K swap might have made more sense. Especially since I could probably have sold my 94 1.8 engine off pretty easily. Or buy a used S2000/ Vette
What do you guys think of my plan? Additional things I am over looking? I love the little thing but man is this costing a lot more than I expected.
Last edited by farpolemiddle; 07-29-2016 at 01:54 AM. Reason: I get it. Will buy a 3".
#3
I make a lot of mistakes during this year, I just wanna be sure that you don't do the same things
-the BP-05 head has HLA, whitch collapse after around 4500-5000 rpm, reducing your valve lift drastically. Swapping the BP-4W cams and solid lifters on the NA head gave me 7.5% more power everywhere past 4500 https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...3/#post1318763
-The IC you linked was the same I had for the past 3 years, when I went allofit it caused a huge pressure drop, the maximum power I made on a dyno was 330, nothing more and with unhappy iat's. Swapped for a 450hp chinese core and gained a lot of room https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...7/#post1340802 ddd
-Regard turbo choice, my advice is to go 6758 if you want 275hp. The 6258 is capable to get even 300hp, but everything after 250 is really pushing to the limit, but with the 6758 you only need the medium boost actuator (standard one) and some ebc (wastegate only gave me 230hp).
-ARP everything, in the future you will want moar. It's written in the bible. Don't follow the ARP specs for head torque but less, some people cracked the head.
-Chinese rods like CXracing are more than enough, and they weigh less than stock rods
I think everything else is fine, make a build thread when you begin
-the BP-05 head has HLA, whitch collapse after around 4500-5000 rpm, reducing your valve lift drastically. Swapping the BP-4W cams and solid lifters on the NA head gave me 7.5% more power everywhere past 4500 https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...3/#post1318763
-The IC you linked was the same I had for the past 3 years, when I went allofit it caused a huge pressure drop, the maximum power I made on a dyno was 330, nothing more and with unhappy iat's. Swapped for a 450hp chinese core and gained a lot of room https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...7/#post1340802 ddd
-Regard turbo choice, my advice is to go 6758 if you want 275hp. The 6258 is capable to get even 300hp, but everything after 250 is really pushing to the limit, but with the 6758 you only need the medium boost actuator (standard one) and some ebc (wastegate only gave me 230hp).
-ARP everything, in the future you will want moar. It's written in the bible. Don't follow the ARP specs for head torque but less, some people cracked the head.
-Chinese rods like CXracing are more than enough, and they weigh less than stock rods
I think everything else is fine, make a build thread when you begin
#6
I make a lot of mistakes during this year, I just wanna be sure that you don't do the same things
-the BP-05 head has HLA, whitch collapse after around 4500-5000 rpm, reducing your valve lift drastically. Swapping the BP-4W cams and solid lifters on the NA head gave me 7.5% more power everywhere past 4500 https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...3/#post1318763
-The IC you linked was the same I had for the past 3 years, when I went allofit it caused a huge pressure drop, the maximum power I made on a dyno was 330, nothing more and with unhappy iat's. Swapped for a 450hp chinese core and gained a lot of room https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...7/#post1340802 ddd
-Regard turbo choice, my advice is to go 6758 if you want 275hp. The 6258 is capable to get even 300hp, but everything after 250 is really pushing to the limit, but with the 6758 you only need the medium boost actuator (standard one) and some ebc (wastegate only gave me 230hp).
-ARP everything, in the future you will want moar. It's written in the bible. Don't follow the ARP specs for head torque but less, some people cracked the head.
-Chinese rods like CXracing are more than enough, and they weigh less than stock rods
I think everything else is fine, make a build thread when you begin
-the BP-05 head has HLA, whitch collapse after around 4500-5000 rpm, reducing your valve lift drastically. Swapping the BP-4W cams and solid lifters on the NA head gave me 7.5% more power everywhere past 4500 https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...3/#post1318763
-The IC you linked was the same I had for the past 3 years, when I went allofit it caused a huge pressure drop, the maximum power I made on a dyno was 330, nothing more and with unhappy iat's. Swapped for a 450hp chinese core and gained a lot of room https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...7/#post1340802 ddd
-Regard turbo choice, my advice is to go 6758 if you want 275hp. The 6258 is capable to get even 300hp, but everything after 250 is really pushing to the limit, but with the 6758 you only need the medium boost actuator (standard one) and some ebc (wastegate only gave me 230hp).
-ARP everything, in the future you will want moar. It's written in the bible. Don't follow the ARP specs for head torque but less, some people cracked the head.
-Chinese rods like CXracing are more than enough, and they weigh less than stock rods
I think everything else is fine, make a build thread when you begin
I really am going to stay in the 275ish world. Every thread I read here where peeps go over 350whp turns into transmission destruction, replace and repeat.
#7
Enthuzacar has an alumnized 3" exhaust for $400 bucks from the cat back. If you can afford a high end turbo kit and a built engine, you can afford an exhaust. If not, maybe you should do a DIY kit to afford it.
And IMO, with 275whp on tap you will likely want more rubber.
Take a look at 949 Racing's clutch as well, definitely consider it.
#11
Your goal of 275 WHP can be done with a lot of turbo and manifold combos. Trackspeed is an insanely awesome company, offering possibly the best solution to a properly turbocharged Miata. And in no way shape or form do I think their product is flawed, its got the R&D to succeed and I believe it will do nothing but satisfy hundreds of customers. However, those customers pay a premium for it. You already mentioned a budget, and that directly contradicts paying a premium for the best solution to get to 275 WHP. I think where you would save the most money is looking into other options for turbo/manifold combos that will get you to that HP number. T3 framed, journal bearing options, and maybe having someone build you a tubular log out of mild steel (it is not as expensive as you would think).
The lack of a full 3" exhaust will limit you, regardless of your hot side part choice. If you want the exhaust to cost less, use less mufflers and resonators, if you can handle a little drone.
EDIT: Also, look into Competition Clutch and their options for your TQ levels. They will hold up just as well as FM, and that is a hint
#13
Pucks are terrible for drive-ability, regardless of who makes them. CC's Stage 3 version is still a full disk (though Ceramic), it will drive better than a puck, but not as smooth as an organic disk. Rated up to 300 ft. lbs. though (assuming 120 baseline TQ, and 150% increase as stated from CC).
#16
Where to draw the money line is the decision to make, I don't believe it is properly drawn at keeping the stock exhaust. I know you already have a Trackspeed kit with EFR on order, and I don't know how "un-doable" that is, but consider this thought process:
Your goal of 275 WHP can be done with a lot of turbo and manifold combos. Trackspeed is an insanely awesome company, offering possibly the best solution to a properly turbocharged Miata. And in no way shape or form do I think their product is flawed, its got the R&D to succeed and I believe it will do nothing but satisfy hundreds of customers. However, those customers pay a premium for it. You already mentioned a budget, and that directly contradicts paying a premium for the best solution to get to 275 WHP. I think where you would save the most money is looking into other options for turbo/manifold combos that will get you to that HP number. T3 framed, journal bearing options, and maybe having someone build you a tubular log out of mild steel (it is not as expensive as you would think).
The lack of a full 3" exhaust will limit you, regardless of your hot side part choice. If you want the exhaust to cost less, use less mufflers and resonators, if you can handle a little drone.
EDIT: Also, look into Competition Clutch and their options for your TQ levels. They will hold up just as well as FM, and that is a hint
Your goal of 275 WHP can be done with a lot of turbo and manifold combos. Trackspeed is an insanely awesome company, offering possibly the best solution to a properly turbocharged Miata. And in no way shape or form do I think their product is flawed, its got the R&D to succeed and I believe it will do nothing but satisfy hundreds of customers. However, those customers pay a premium for it. You already mentioned a budget, and that directly contradicts paying a premium for the best solution to get to 275 WHP. I think where you would save the most money is looking into other options for turbo/manifold combos that will get you to that HP number. T3 framed, journal bearing options, and maybe having someone build you a tubular log out of mild steel (it is not as expensive as you would think).
The lack of a full 3" exhaust will limit you, regardless of your hot side part choice. If you want the exhaust to cost less, use less mufflers and resonators, if you can handle a little drone.
EDIT: Also, look into Competition Clutch and their options for your TQ levels. They will hold up just as well as FM, and that is a hint
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Wow, where do I begin??
To all saying he spent too much on the TSE kit: I talked with him at length regarding his budget and goals, and the TSE kit just made sense. It's literally $100 more than the FM no electronics kit, and all you're giving up is the intercooler setup, which can be done with super legit parts for well under $500. You absolutely cannot beat the TSE kit for the money.
Regarding the V8 or K-swap stuff... That would make more sense if you wanted to spend WAY more time and money for more power (V8 swap) or still more time and money for less power (K swap). For a street car 300 whp or less, you can't beat boosting the BP. All the suspension, brakes, roll bar, seats, etc would be needed no matter which option you go with.
Also, regarding all the other bits: You don't really need bigger brakes for your street car. Some better pads is all you'd need, maybe ducting if you still have issues. Roll bar is definitely a good idea for any aggressively-driven Miata.
Valid point about buying a different car. Have you driven an S2000? Why not come drive mine and go for a ride in the turbo Miata back to back, see which one fits you better?
If the S2000 fits you better... it's for sale...
To all saying he spent too much on the TSE kit: I talked with him at length regarding his budget and goals, and the TSE kit just made sense. It's literally $100 more than the FM no electronics kit, and all you're giving up is the intercooler setup, which can be done with super legit parts for well under $500. You absolutely cannot beat the TSE kit for the money.
Regarding the V8 or K-swap stuff... That would make more sense if you wanted to spend WAY more time and money for more power (V8 swap) or still more time and money for less power (K swap). For a street car 300 whp or less, you can't beat boosting the BP. All the suspension, brakes, roll bar, seats, etc would be needed no matter which option you go with.
Also, regarding all the other bits: You don't really need bigger brakes for your street car. Some better pads is all you'd need, maybe ducting if you still have issues. Roll bar is definitely a good idea for any aggressively-driven Miata.
Valid point about buying a different car. Have you driven an S2000? Why not come drive mine and go for a ride in the turbo Miata back to back, see which one fits you better?
If the S2000 fits you better... it's for sale...
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So either spend a bunch of money cranking fuel pressure, or spend a bit more on ID1000s.