CX Racing turbo kit - Wastegate actuator help & Understanding different turbos.
#1
CX Racing turbo kit - Wastegate actuator help & Understanding different turbos.
Hey,
I've had the car with a CX racing kit for a while and now recently have been facing issues with a stuck closed waste gate.
That's right, I have all the boost. I have an event coming up in a few weeks that is more than the usual autox event so I can't just expect that I won't over boost during the event.
So now I need to open up the waste gate actuator anyway and have been wanting to use a boost controller + a much lighter spring (2-3PSI) so that I can pick my boost levels better and actually use the MegaSquirts boost controlling abilities.
1. I'm having trouble figuring out how best to do that, where does one buy new springs, how does one pick the right spring? Does anyone have any experience swapping the actuator itself?
2. Would it be better to just swap the turbo? If so I've been having trouble finding literature understanding sizes of wheels etc. Unfortunately googling "Turbo miataturbo.net" or anything related really doesn't help given that we use the word "Turbo" a lot.
I've had the car with a CX racing kit for a while and now recently have been facing issues with a stuck closed waste gate.
That's right, I have all the boost. I have an event coming up in a few weeks that is more than the usual autox event so I can't just expect that I won't over boost during the event.
So now I need to open up the waste gate actuator anyway and have been wanting to use a boost controller + a much lighter spring (2-3PSI) so that I can pick my boost levels better and actually use the MegaSquirts boost controlling abilities.
1. I'm having trouble figuring out how best to do that, where does one buy new springs, how does one pick the right spring? Does anyone have any experience swapping the actuator itself?
2. Would it be better to just swap the turbo? If so I've been having trouble finding literature understanding sizes of wheels etc. Unfortunately googling "Turbo miataturbo.net" or anything related really doesn't help given that we use the word "Turbo" a lot.
#2
Sheesh, first figure out why its not opening... is the actuator arm binding from not aligning? Are you not getting vacuum to the wastegate canister?
What kind of wastegate actuator do you have, most are not able to be opened up -- generally just aftermarket ones like ones offered from Turbosmart
you can really only go slightly less than double your spring pressure; so if your spring is 7psi you can generally only raise that to about 13psi with a boost controller. Beyond that you need to go to something like a 4 port electronic actuator, and I am 100% not going to go into depth on to why or how as that info is readily available.
First thing is first, figure out why your current one is not working -- I am betting your turbo is clocked in a way that doesn't quite line up and is binding the rod
What kind of wastegate actuator do you have, most are not able to be opened up -- generally just aftermarket ones like ones offered from Turbosmart
you can really only go slightly less than double your spring pressure; so if your spring is 7psi you can generally only raise that to about 13psi with a boost controller. Beyond that you need to go to something like a 4 port electronic actuator, and I am 100% not going to go into depth on to why or how as that info is readily available.
First thing is first, figure out why your current one is not working -- I am betting your turbo is clocked in a way that doesn't quite line up and is binding the rod
#4
I doubt you can get 3psi with any spring or actuator. Especially on a China charger with their small port.
Do an experiment, disconnect the wastegate arm from the actuator, tie it open with a string and go drive and floor it in 3rd gear all the way to redline and see how much boost you get.
This will tell you that no matter what actuator you have, you can't be under that value without opening up the hole bigger..
What psi are you currently getting when the wastegate was actually working properly and what are you getting right nright stuck actuator can goto 25psi and make your engine go boom
Do an experiment, disconnect the wastegate arm from the actuator, tie it open with a string and go drive and floor it in 3rd gear all the way to redline and see how much boost you get.
This will tell you that no matter what actuator you have, you can't be under that value without opening up the hole bigger..
What psi are you currently getting when the wastegate was actually working properly and what are you getting right nright stuck actuator can goto 25psi and make your engine go boom
#5
Yes, all that, and put a vacuum pump on it to prove/disprove that the actuator is actually working. Then, when you reconnect or replace it, test again to be sure that the trubo is clocked properly so that the actuation isn't bound up.
A vac pump is good for all sorts of things:
A vac pump is good for all sorts of things:
Last edited by jt@namiata.com; 03-23-2021 at 06:14 PM.
#6
When the wastegate was working properly it was sitting around 7-8 PSI.
I see, so the turbo is going to spool up to a certain amount due to the constriction from an open wastegate port no matter what. I'll need to do that experiment later to figure out my lower limit, that makes a lot of sense though. I do want to be able to get as low as I can.
Additionally, I still need to figure out if anyone here has experience swapping out this specific actuator, failing that, a recommendation for a smaller turbo that'l plug in. I imagine this is the sort of recommendation that would come from someone who has done either with this specific kit.
I'm currently using the Megasquirt to cut fuel/spark if the car hits a predefined boost limit for temporary and jarring safety.
I see, so the turbo is going to spool up to a certain amount due to the constriction from an open wastegate port no matter what. I'll need to do that experiment later to figure out my lower limit, that makes a lot of sense though. I do want to be able to get as low as I can.
Additionally, I still need to figure out if anyone here has experience swapping out this specific actuator, failing that, a recommendation for a smaller turbo that'l plug in. I imagine this is the sort of recommendation that would come from someone who has done either with this specific kit.
I'm currently using the Megasquirt to cut fuel/spark if the car hits a predefined boost limit for temporary and jarring safety.
#8
Yes, all that, and put a vacuum pump on it to prove/disprove that the actuator is actually working. Then, when you reconnect or replace it, test again to be sure that the trubo is clocked properly so that the actuation isn't bound up.
A vac pump is good for all sorts of things: https://www.amazon.com/Mityvac-MITMV...omotive-Vacuum
A vac pump is good for all sorts of things: https://www.amazon.com/Mityvac-MITMV...omotive-Vacuum
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