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Old 05-14-2017 | 04:11 PM
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Unhappy New Build...Won't 'Start'

New built motor, new MS3x (I built), LS Truck coils, DW200 Pump, ID1000 injectors, e85.

I took a basemap for fuel, and scaled up 30% for e85. My timing map is ridiculous right now...I think I threw too much timing on my last motor so I'm a bit gun-shy.

Tries to start....sort of does...but dies almost instantly. More fuel...Less fuel....doesn't seem to care. I know I just don't have something set right, and I keep searching and trying....two days now....I have a headache.

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Old 05-15-2017 | 08:25 PM
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Are you 100% on your idle VE table values? Your highest value is 82, maybe you're dumping too much fuel in?
Old 05-17-2017 | 07:42 AM
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The log doesn't show any PW although it does make an attempt to start. It also shows a lost sync reason of 2. Do a composite log of the cam and crank.
Old 05-17-2017 | 12:11 PM
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What hector said^ your ecu is literally never trying to inject fuel. It is probably starting and running on just the priming/cranking pulse.

We definitely need a composite log. And more details about the motor. Looks like a 36-2 crank wheel. What cam sensor setup?

Lost sync reason 2 means it is seeing the missing tooth at the wrong time. Is the trigger wheel on backwards? Post a picture of the crank trigger wheel at TDC.

Also your tune is set on Fixed timing. So its always using 10* of timing. Have you checked the Trigger Angle/Offset? I see 0 in there, is that correct?
Old 05-17-2017 | 12:49 PM
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Hey guys, Thanks for the input so far. I forgot to grab a log last time I played...I'll get back to it tonight. However, I did finally get it to run...not idling, but I expected that.

Apparently I didn't add some info that I was thinking about.

Car is a 2004 MazdaSpeed, but now has a 99 block/head. 11:1 Supertech 84mm pistons, Head shaved .020", 36-2 SuperMiata Trigger Wheel and damper.

Previously had an MS2e running on old motor/stock turbo....probably should have started with some of my idle settings/etc from that tune...doh!

Cam sensor is factory, used a new factory Crank sensor (my old one had some gouges from being a touch too close I guess).

Again, I'll get a current log tonight..Appreciate the insights. I haven't driven this car since last July....been a slow process with the build (well, slower than I wanted).
Old 05-18-2017 | 12:49 PM
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Went out and played with the car a bit. Almosts idle until it hits 190 degrees, then spikes rpm to 4k until temp drops below 190,then instantly drops to around 1k.

Was going to get a log, but went out to Break-in the motor since it is running. Battery cable wasn't tight, and the positive lead came off... Voltage spiked, and then nothing. Awesome!

Will check the Ms3x tonight.
Old 05-18-2017 | 09:41 PM
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No bueno. MS3 has no 12v or 5v anywhere on the board. JimStim is providing power, and as soon as I turn the stim on, the power led very briefly flickers dimly...then nothing. I don't see anything burnt on the boards anywhere...

I've checked at U5, Q9, Q12, etc, etc.....nothing....where do I look now?




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