460cc RX-7 injectors dead time
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Hi,
as we have measured/found pretty different settings for these injectors on msextra -
460cc RX-7 red top (high imp)
I thought I make a separate thread:
Before I went sequential I used the 2squirts/4squirts method to get an equal AFR and found a dead time of 1.185ms
Techsalvager uses a dead time of 0.75ms
Here in this old adaptronic thread I found a complete chart for dead times for these injectors.
https://www.miataturbo.net/showthrea...time+injectors
Is the usage of these dead times different between Adaptronic and Megasquirt? Anyone else has got working settings for these injectors?
Thanks and please discuss!
as we have measured/found pretty different settings for these injectors on msextra -
460cc RX-7 red top (high imp)
I thought I make a separate thread:
Before I went sequential I used the 2squirts/4squirts method to get an equal AFR and found a dead time of 1.185ms
Techsalvager uses a dead time of 0.75ms
Here in this old adaptronic thread I found a complete chart for dead times for these injectors.
https://www.miataturbo.net/showthrea...time+injectors
Is the usage of these dead times different between Adaptronic and Megasquirt? Anyone else has got working settings for these injectors?
Thanks and please discuss!
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Well one of the points why I did this thread is that all the informations I found online about the RX7 injectors were about 550cc or low impedance injectors.
@Braineack - your 1.2 are very close to the 1.185 I got - but I must admit that my car runs at about 14.4 volts and the test I did was at this voltage...
@Braineack - your 1.2 are very close to the 1.185 I got - but I must admit that my car runs at about 14.4 volts and the test I did was at this voltage...
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There is plenty of posts and other data out there that point to the injector lag time of 13v being around .75ms~ for the 460 and 550 high imp injectors.
when you have improper lag times, esp with systems like ms2extra a change in voltage can easily swing fueling up or down.
both my maf and speed density setups show these swings with voltage changes.
On my maf setup I couldn't run leaner then .78 ~ .82 lambda at normal ~14v, ---- i had maf grams a second at .33g\s which isn't even right.
changing to .75ms at 13.2v put my maf g\s around 2.4-2.6 range which is where it should be for the engine size and load. and idle afr at 1 lambda
when you have improper lag times, esp with systems like ms2extra a change in voltage can easily swing fueling up or down.
both my maf and speed density setups show these swings with voltage changes.
On my maf setup I couldn't run leaner then .78 ~ .82 lambda at normal ~14v, ---- i had maf grams a second at .33g\s which isn't even right.
changing to .75ms at 13.2v put my maf g\s around 2.4-2.6 range which is where it should be for the engine size and load. and idle afr at 1 lambda
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http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=869605
The low impedance 550cc injectors are 0.75ms @ 13v, so I would expect the low impedance 460cc injectors to be about the same. I wouldn't be surprised if the high impedance 460cc injectors were 1.0ms.
Again my question - I know there are differences in the understanding of the dead times - are there differences between the Adaptronic and Megasquirt firmware for the dead times calculation?
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responding back to this, couple days ago I blew off a charge pipe, of course I'm running a maf based system so we know what can happen.
Anyways I decided its probably a good time to redo my SD setup.
reattached the charge pipe.
I filled the whole table up with 59 in the main ve table with SD running fuel and spark.
Amazed at how well it idled and drove with a table full of 59s.
this is with injector dead time at .75ms
Anyways I decided its probably a good time to redo my SD setup.
reattached the charge pipe.
I filled the whole table up with 59 in the main ve table with SD running fuel and spark.
Amazed at how well it idled and drove with a table full of 59s.
this is with injector dead time at .75ms
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http://www.2shared.com/file/H7EyKv5y...07_182032.html
datalog of recent SD tune I was working, watch GVE and Lambda vs RPM and MAP
datalog of recent SD tune I was working, watch GVE and Lambda vs RPM and MAP
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O.K. just to confirm, the 0.75ms work like a charm, the VEtable is nearly flat in the non-boost area. And this is the first time that my idle VEs are matching the neighboring cells...
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As techsalvager says, dead time settings being correct is absolutely critical to an easy tune. As he also points out, you can mask incorrect settings with other adjustments. Few take the time to properly setup this parameter.