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Old 04-14-2017, 09:01 AM
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My name is Joe I live in Rochester, NY. Bought my first Miata Jan 1st. Was a bit of a project, I'll start a build thread. Quick story, wanted to build myself the fastest street tire auto-x car in my region. The can has lots of go fast goodies, but came largely unassembled. I'm almost ready to break in the new rebuilt turbo motor, but I've been hitting some problems. Looking forward to being here, and hopefully getting some insight from turbo people!

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I just realized there isn't a build section.... so here's a link to my build thread on another forum. If this is a no-no mods please delete.
https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=629416
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I'm jealous of anyone here that has or has access to a garage.
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Where in Rochester? I'm in South East Brighton, over by Indian Landing School.
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Where in Rochester? I'm in South East Brighton, over by Indian Landing School.
Rush-Henrietta! Dang! I figured maybe there'd be a local or two on here but man that's super close!
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Quick story, wanted to build myself the fastest street tire auto-x car in my region.
then i see a picture of a 1.6L ...
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Originally Posted by Braineack
then i see a picture of a 1.6L ...

Lol yeah I know! Should of been a 99 motor, but the car came with a 1.6 and lots of suspension goodies, I'm hoping the boost will make up for it!
im trying to update my sig. now. With all the handling parts and 200ish whp I'm thinking it should be a contender.
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no, the VVT motor > 99.


unless you size your turbo well, you'll never have the low-end tq/throttle response of the vvt motor. hell with a few bolts on i/h/e, you can start with 150rwhp... not 7.
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Yeah I wouldn't put a single penny into building a 1.6 motor. Sell all that and buy a 1.8 VVT motor, and start there.
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Welcome, I really like that little engine internals cubby thing you got, that's pretty neat.

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I just realized there isn't a build section.... so here's a link to my build thread on another forum. If this is a no-no mods please delete.
https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=629416
You can start your own thread here, most of us won't click that link for fear of losing brain cells.
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I have both a BP4W and a BP6D valve cover to get you started, as well as a squaretop manifold and NB throttle body to get you started on your 1.8L build.
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lol I appreciate all the offers but the car came as a build and go package mostly. It came with the full FM rebuild kit, turbo matched to the 1.6. I know 1.8 would be better but after looking at it, I'd have to basically sell everything and start over. It would of complicated the build significantly. Not that I couldn't but, I wanted this thing running by End of April for this season of solo and didn't see how I could make that work. I figured if something goes massively wrong I'll part it out and drop in an ecotec.

If I wanted to replicate/create a build thread on here where would you guys want me to put it?
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Originally Posted by 18psi
Welcome, I really like that little engine internals cubby thing you got, that's pretty neat.



You can start your own thread here, most of us won't click that link for fear of losing brain cells.
I thought that forum had the biggest user base so should have the best knowledge resources, but some of the advice has been a little too condescending for my taste. Too much of do it my way or it's not right kinda thing.

And way to much of people giving stupid advice i.e. I make a post saying just installed a purple widget and post a pic, 4 post later someone says you need to get a purple widget or you're doing it wrong!
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You can follow my thread. I started off with a 1.6L and ended up with a VVT.

It isn't any more complicated at all. You're just spending the same effort and amount on parts, but for a 1.8L which will net gains everywhere. But do as you must to get it running.
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Originally Posted by Sensei
lol I appreciate all the offers but the car came as a build and go package mostly. It came with the full FM rebuild kit, turbo matched to the 1.6. I know 1.8 would be better but after looking at it, I'd have to basically sell everything and start over. It would of complicated the build significantly. Not that I couldn't but, I wanted this thing running by End of April for this season of solo and didn't see how I could make that work. I figured if something goes massively wrong I'll part it out and drop in an ecotec.

If I wanted to replicate/create a build thread on here where would you guys want me to put it?
we have a builds section.

what turbo is this that's "matched" to the 1.6? I'm genuinely curious because 90% of turbo's out there really suck on the 1.6
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Originally Posted by 18psi
we have a builds section.

what turbo is this that's "matched" to the 1.6? I'm genuinely curious because 90% of turbo's out there really suck on the 1.6
By matched, it's my understanding that the exhaust manifold is 1.6 specific and not able to fit on a 1.8l which would add yet another part to sell then repurchase. Again all this selling and buying takes time, and is kinda a pita. I own a business that requires at times LOTS of my time and selling/buying used parts is honestly more hassle than I care for. At the same time just tossing the 1.6 and turbo kit, clutch kit, backer kit etc into a corner and just buying new stuff would of gone over like a fart in church with the Mrs. As they say happy wife.....which by the way part of how I sold her on the project was that it was a build and go.

When I bought the car the head had been machined and reassembled with new valves, springs etc. the block had been honed as well. The idea was that everything just needed to be assembled. After seeing the condition of the cylinders I decided to get it bored and added forged pistons for some extra insurance.
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200 hp isn't going to get you to FTD on street tires. Certainly not with a 1.6 turbo. It just will not have the low end grunt needed. Having it running well enough to race by the end of the month will require hundreds of pounds of unicorn sprinkles.

Back up, read a bunch of build threads, reassess the end goals, proceed with caution.

Usually the ones who think we are a room full of dicks, are the ones who haphazardly buy projects without much knowledge or experience with a turbo miata.

what turbo kit does this thing have???

a 1.6 is a losing battle from minute 1.
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Jesus titty-******* Christ...

The degree to which I am breaking the 10th commandment is hard to understate here. I am coveting the **** out of your garage.

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I am also jealous of that garage.
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Originally Posted by ryansmoneypit
200 hp isn't going to get you to FTD on street tires. Certainly not with a 1.6 turbo. It just will not have the low end grunt needed. Having it running well enough to race by the end of the month will require hundreds of pounds of unicorn sprinkles.

Back up, read a bunch of build threads, reassess the end goals, proceed with caution.

Usually the ones who think we are a room full of dicks, are the ones who haphazardly buy projects without much knowledge or experience with a turbo miata.

what turbo kit does this thing have???

a 1.6 is a losing battle from minute 1.
You really should read the build thread, then you'd see this advice is mostly dickish.

Although I'm new to the forum so I get it. You don't know I built a Srt-4 that made 315whp on all stock parts or a 400whp STi with a 35r on stock bottom end.

You probably don't know I spent 2 years competing locally sizing up the competition. There are no turbo Miatas in the region that run a good wheel/suspension combo- most are running 205s. The fasted Miata is a CSP on 13s that make I think 150.

I picked up a oil return gasket this morning which will hopefully solve my last problem before break in.

And to get you up to speed here are some pictures:



















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