Yet Another Gun Thread
05-21-2020, 06:55 PM
#6043
Interesting. I've seen a few of the cheap aluminum solvents traps you can get on Ali and a few other places... they are all total ****. Machining and tolerances are off really bad. In a couple cases, the "anodizing" they used was still sticky and rubbed off because it was clearly cheap paint. None of them had been converted, mind you, but simply handling them as delivered was cringe. Maybe if you Form1'd and did subsonic .22lr from the better of the aluminum ones they would last for awhile, but certainly nothing centerfire or big kaboom. One buddy of mine said he's want to JB weld the endcaps in place because he was sure the threads weren't tight enough to contain the gasses even for low-energy .22lr.
OTOH, I have seen a couple that were from US distributors a couple years ago before the big crackdown... 1" aluminum with steel cups and short blast chamber that were form 1'd and did just fine for .22lr... nothing present to compare them too, but for $100 or whatever he paid, was worth it for "beater .22lr" can. REALLY big cringe over the prices companies get for such simple pieces of metal.
Standing by for the red wave in November and getting the HPA signed so we can forego all this bullshit.
OTOH, I have seen a couple that were from US distributors a couple years ago before the big crackdown... 1" aluminum with steel cups and short blast chamber that were form 1'd and did just fine for .22lr... nothing present to compare them too, but for $100 or whatever he paid, was worth it for "beater .22lr" can. REALLY big cringe over the prices companies get for such simple pieces of metal.
Standing by for the red wave in November and getting the HPA signed so we can forego all this bullshit.
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05-21-2020, 07:12 PM
#6044
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There are still a few sites out there selling this stuff, and as far as I know, ATF hasn't shut anyone down over these since 2018. Ex: Form1Builder
On another note... 9 months in on my Form 4s...
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05-22-2020, 08:17 AM
#6046
Interesting. I've seen a few of the cheap aluminum solvents traps you can get on Ali and a few other places... they are all total ****. Machining and tolerances are off really bad. In a couple cases, the "anodizing" they used was still sticky and rubbed off because it was clearly cheap paint. None of them had been converted, mind you, but simply handling them as delivered was cringe. Maybe if you Form1'd and did subsonic .22lr from the better of the aluminum ones they would last for awhile, but certainly nothing centerfire or big kaboom. One buddy of mine said he's want to JB weld the endcaps in place because he was sure the threads weren't tight enough to contain the gasses even for low-energy .22lr.
OTOH, I have seen a couple that were from US distributors a couple years ago before the big crackdown... 1" aluminum with steel cups and short blast chamber that were form 1'd and did just fine for .22lr... nothing present to compare them too, but for $100 or whatever he paid, was worth it for "beater .22lr" can. REALLY big cringe over the prices companies get for such simple pieces of metal.
Standing by for the red wave in November and getting the HPA signed so we can forego all this bullshit.
OTOH, I have seen a couple that were from US distributors a couple years ago before the big crackdown... 1" aluminum with steel cups and short blast chamber that were form 1'd and did just fine for .22lr... nothing present to compare them too, but for $100 or whatever he paid, was worth it for "beater .22lr" can. REALLY big cringe over the prices companies get for such simple pieces of metal.
Standing by for the red wave in November and getting the HPA signed so we can forego all this bullshit.
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05-22-2020, 11:07 PM
#6048
I have almost zero experience, but I think you can get away with aluminum baffles in a bolt gun for the long-term, or steel baffles in a semi-auto for the long-term. Since I've never seen a Form1 can that was sealed, cleaning should be less of an issue with aluminum that doesn't do well with harsh solvents since you can take it apart and clean after every use. Personally, I'm going to steer well clear of sealed cans and will be performing religious maintenance.
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06-02-2020, 07:58 PM
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Do you guys remember the famous Joe Biden double barreled shotgun interview? Where he said that you obviously don't need a high capacity magazine because all you need for defense is a double barreled shotgun that you should walk outside your house and "fire two blasts" from? Here's a reminder for those who forgot. Relevant part starts at 39 seconds:
I never thought of that interview as anything except evidence for all gun owners that uncle Joe has no idea what he's talking about. Apparently somebody was actually listening.
I was in a great little local sporting goods store today buying some reloading equipment, and at the gun counter there was a couple, probably 55-60 years old. I would describe them as aging yuppies - obviously well-to-do, expensive clothes, but dressed in a faux-outdoorsy style. Strappy sandals and Patagonia shirts with too many pockets, that kind of thing. They were purchasing a side by side double barreled 12ga shotgun. While I was waiting in line to check out, I learned many things. Among them:
So they want to criminalize my firearms and behavior, but break and avoid the law when they feel threatened.
What's good for me, not for thee.
I never thought of that interview as anything except evidence for all gun owners that uncle Joe has no idea what he's talking about. Apparently somebody was actually listening.
I was in a great little local sporting goods store today buying some reloading equipment, and at the gun counter there was a couple, probably 55-60 years old. I would describe them as aging yuppies - obviously well-to-do, expensive clothes, but dressed in a faux-outdoorsy style. Strappy sandals and Patagonia shirts with too many pockets, that kind of thing. They were purchasing a side by side double barreled 12ga shotgun. While I was waiting in line to check out, I learned many things. Among them:
- They were buying a side by side because Joe Biden said it was "all you need".
- They voted for the recent mandatory ten day waiting period in Washington on all semi-auto rifles and pistols.
- They were voting for Joe Biden.
- They were very happy that their shotgun had no waiting period, because there is civil unrest going on right now, not in ten days.
- The husband used to have a .45 cal handgun, but he gave it to his son when the civil unrest started, prompting them to purchase a new gun.
So they want to criminalize my firearms and behavior, but break and avoid the law when they feel threatened.
What's good for me, not for thee.
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06-03-2020, 07:07 PM
#6053
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I picked up a Walther CCP M2 380 yesterday. I figured all my ammo was already in 380, I might as well make my next pistol use it.
The store was packed with a line out the door. Majority of customers were black families looking to buy a fire arm for home defense. It was crazy to see, and we have stamped down on the looting and riots and such already. People are scared, we are in a strange time.
The store was packed with a line out the door. Majority of customers were black families looking to buy a fire arm for home defense. It was crazy to see, and we have stamped down on the looting and riots and such already. People are scared, we are in a strange time.
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06-03-2020, 10:21 PM
#6054
That being said, good for them for obvious reasons. Today a pistol, tomorrow a shotgun, next week a rifle... keep them safely secured, practice to maintain proficiency, teach your kids respect for them... all good.
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06-03-2020, 10:58 PM
#6055
Do you guys remember the famous Joe Biden double barreled shotgun interview? Where he said that you obviously don't need a high capacity magazine because all you need for defense is a double barreled shotgun that you should walk outside your house and "fire two blasts" from? Here's a reminder for those who forgot. Relevant part starts at 39 seconds:
I never thought of that interview as anything except evidence for all gun owners that uncle Joe has no idea what he's talking about. Apparently somebody was actually listening.
I was in a great little local sporting goods store today buying some reloading equipment, and at the gun counter there was a couple, probably 55-60 years old. I would describe them as aging yuppies - obviously well-to-do, expensive clothes, but dressed in a faux-outdoorsy style. Strappy sandals and Patagonia shirts with too many pockets, that kind of thing. They were purchasing a side by side double barreled 12ga shotgun. While I was waiting in line to check out, I learned many things. Among them:
So they want to criminalize my firearms and behavior, but break and avoid the law when they feel threatened.
What's good for me, not for thee.
I never thought of that interview as anything except evidence for all gun owners that uncle Joe has no idea what he's talking about. Apparently somebody was actually listening.
I was in a great little local sporting goods store today buying some reloading equipment, and at the gun counter there was a couple, probably 55-60 years old. I would describe them as aging yuppies - obviously well-to-do, expensive clothes, but dressed in a faux-outdoorsy style. Strappy sandals and Patagonia shirts with too many pockets, that kind of thing. They were purchasing a side by side double barreled 12ga shotgun. While I was waiting in line to check out, I learned many things. Among them:
- They were buying a side by side because Joe Biden said it was "all you need".
- They voted for the recent mandatory ten day waiting period in Washington on all semi-auto rifles and pistols.
- They were voting for Joe Biden.
- They were very happy that their shotgun had no waiting period, because there is civil unrest going on right now, not in ten days.
- The husband used to have a .45 cal handgun, but he gave it to his son when the civil unrest started, prompting them to purchase a new gun.
So they want to criminalize my firearms and behavior, but break and avoid the law when they feel threatened.
What's good for me, not for thee.
Wife and I were talking the other night and she said we need to get a 12 gauge pump action with no bullets (her words) so she can scare someone off with the racking of the slide. I told her we would not have any weapons in this house without ammunition for same. This is the same woman who has never wanted guns around (despite giving me permission years ago for a pistol), so if she is thinking along those lines it tells me something. I'll be looking for a Mossberg marinized finish shotgun next time home. Then get her to the range for some practice (she is actually a decent shot given she had not shot before when I took her out).
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06-04-2020, 12:06 AM
#6056
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Honestly they probably don't see things in that light and if you brought it up to them, wouldn't get it.
Wife and I were talking the other night and she said we need to get a 12 gauge pump action with no bullets (her words) so she can scare someone off with the racking of the slide. I told her we would not have any weapons in this house without ammunition for same. This is the same woman who has never wanted guns around (despite giving me permission years ago for a pistol), so if she is thinking along those lines it tells me something. I'll be looking for a Mossberg marinized finish shotgun next time home. Then get her to the range for some practice (she is actually a decent shot given she had not shot before when I took her out).
Wife and I were talking the other night and she said we need to get a 12 gauge pump action with no bullets (her words) so she can scare someone off with the racking of the slide. I told her we would not have any weapons in this house without ammunition for same. This is the same woman who has never wanted guns around (despite giving me permission years ago for a pistol), so if she is thinking along those lines it tells me something. I'll be looking for a Mossberg marinized finish shotgun next time home. Then get her to the range for some practice (she is actually a decent shot given she had not shot before when I took her out).
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06-04-2020, 03:58 AM
#6057
Honestly they probably don't see things in that light and if you brought it up to them, wouldn't get it.
Wife and I were talking the other night and she said we need to get a 12 gauge pump action with no bullets (her words) so she can scare someone off with the racking of the slide. I told her we would not have any weapons in this house without ammunition for same. This is the same woman who has never wanted guns around (despite giving me permission years ago for a pistol), so if she is thinking along those lines it tells me something. I'll be looking for a Mossberg marinized finish shotgun next time home. Then get her to the range for some practice (she is actually a decent shot given she had not shot before when I took her out).
Wife and I were talking the other night and she said we need to get a 12 gauge pump action with no bullets (her words) so she can scare someone off with the racking of the slide. I told her we would not have any weapons in this house without ammunition for same. This is the same woman who has never wanted guns around (despite giving me permission years ago for a pistol), so if she is thinking along those lines it tells me something. I'll be looking for a Mossberg marinized finish shotgun next time home. Then get her to the range for some practice (she is actually a decent shot given she had not shot before when I took her out).
A far better choice is a small-caliber medium-frame revolver. A 4" Smith K-frame .38spl with a grip-laser and no safety is my highly recommended weapon for a timid home-defense shooter. Medium weight 4" barrel and .38spl makes for very mild recoil, and a visible laser gives shot-confidence in dark and hi-pressure situations. A revolver has minimal to zero fail modes but does sacrifice capacity to a semi-auto. When in doubt, a Glock 19 is the all-time best all-around pistol ever made for doing everything.
HOWEVER... I find that people who "want a gun" but "don't like guns" all fit a similar mold that revolves around inability to make confident decisions in general, and zero ability to operate under pressure. They're more scared of their own faults and terrified of actually imagining themselves in a situation where needing a firearm is a thing. In that case, may I recommend an introductory course at your local Krav Maga gym? Situational awareness and real-world self-defense techniques... far more useful than a gun she's scared of.
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06-04-2020, 11:50 AM
#6060
Just to make sure you go into this with the right mindset... a shotgun is a terrible home defense weapon for somebody like you describe. At home-defense distances, 10yds or so, an 18" barrel and 00Buck, you pattern no more than 6"... #4 is even tighter. You still have to shoulder the gun and make well-aimed shots. The chances of her ever making it to a followup shot are zero, and she will lose if a bad guy ever makes it to contact distance. He'll take the gun from her and use it against her.
A far better choice is a small-caliber medium-frame revolver. A 4" Smith K-frame .38spl with a grip-laser and no safety is my highly recommended weapon for a timid home-defense shooter. Medium weight 4" barrel and .38spl makes for very mild recoil, and a visible laser gives shot-confidence in dark and hi-pressure situations. A revolver has minimal to zero fail modes but does sacrifice capacity to a semi-auto. When in doubt, a Glock 19 is the all-time best all-around pistol ever made for doing everything.
HOWEVER... I find that people who "want a gun" but "don't like guns" all fit a similar mold that revolves around inability to make confident decisions in general, and zero ability to operate under pressure. They're more scared of their own faults and terrified of actually imagining themselves in a situation where needing a firearm is a thing. In that case, may I recommend an introductory course at your local Krav Maga gym? Situational awareness and real-world self-defense techniques... far more useful than a gun she's scared of.
A far better choice is a small-caliber medium-frame revolver. A 4" Smith K-frame .38spl with a grip-laser and no safety is my highly recommended weapon for a timid home-defense shooter. Medium weight 4" barrel and .38spl makes for very mild recoil, and a visible laser gives shot-confidence in dark and hi-pressure situations. A revolver has minimal to zero fail modes but does sacrifice capacity to a semi-auto. When in doubt, a Glock 19 is the all-time best all-around pistol ever made for doing everything.
HOWEVER... I find that people who "want a gun" but "don't like guns" all fit a similar mold that revolves around inability to make confident decisions in general, and zero ability to operate under pressure. They're more scared of their own faults and terrified of actually imagining themselves in a situation where needing a firearm is a thing. In that case, may I recommend an introductory course at your local Krav Maga gym? Situational awareness and real-world self-defense techniques... far more useful than a gun she's scared of.
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