Yet Another Gun Thread
#2246
Anyone got experience with the Steyr M-A1? I finally saw one today. Very impressive trigger on it...didn't get to fire it, though.
Steyr Mannlicher US: Steyr Pistol M-A1
Steyr Mannlicher US: Steyr Pistol M-A1
#2248
Anyone got experience with the Steyr M-A1? I finally saw one today. Very impressive trigger on it...didn't get to fire it, though.
Steyr Mannlicher US:-Steyr Pistol M-A1
Steyr Mannlicher US:-Steyr Pistol M-A1
Pros:
- Super low bore axis (incredibly soft and controllable recoil)
- Trigger is better than Glock/XD in my opinion
- Trigger gets even better with Glide-Rite striker pin bushings
- Fully supported chamber in all chamberings
- Fit/finish better than Glock/XD
- Incredibly accurate (comparable to my HK P7 and SIG P225)
- Completely reliable (as long as you have the updated extractor and mag springs from Steyr)
- Relatively cheap magazines
Cons:
- Grip angle doesn't work for everyone (I hate Glocks, but love this)
- Trigger may not be as good as worked-over Glock/XD trigger
- Had to request updated extractor and mag springs from Steyr for 100% reliability (new pistols should be fine)
- Questionable future support and parts availability (compared to Glock/XD)
- Trapezoidal sights (I like them, and if you don't, can be swapped for traditional sights of your choice)
- Slightly bigger than G19 (with same mag cap)
- Not much choice in holsters (compared to Glock/XD)
I snagged mine from CDNN when they were blowing them out for $350. It's a no brainer at that price (really, at under $400, I'd take it over a beat up Glock or XD). Over $400...you're probably safer with one of the Glock/XD/M&P group for mags, parts availability, and company support.
Once mine was sorted out with the updated extractor and mag springs, however, I put it through its paces and feel 100% confidence in it. I also added a stainless steel guide rod and the Glide-Rite strike pin bushings. It's my nightstand pistol.
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If all else fails get one of these.
#2254
I own one. I love it. It's an interesting pistol -- designed in-house by a Glock employee as an update/improvement on the Glock. When Glock chose not to use his design, he requested and received permission to sell the design to Steyr-Mannlicher instead.
Pros:
Cons:
I snagged mine from CDNN when they were blowing them out for $350. It's a no brainer at that price (really, at under $400, I'd take it over a beat up Glock or XD). Over $400...you're probably safer with one of the Glock/XD/M&P group for mags, parts availability, and company support.
Once mine was sorted out with the updated extractor and mag springs, however, I put it through its paces and feel 100% confidence in it. I also added a stainless steel guide rod and the Glide-Rite strike pin bushings. It's my nightstand pistol.
Pros:
- Super low bore axis (incredibly soft and controllable recoil)
- Trigger is better than Glock/XD in my opinion
- Trigger gets even better with Glide-Rite striker pin bushings
- Fully supported chamber in all chamberings
- Fit/finish better than Glock/XD
- Incredibly accurate (comparable to my HK P7 and SIG P225)
- Completely reliable (as long as you have the updated extractor and mag springs from Steyr)
- Relatively cheap magazines
Cons:
- Grip angle doesn't work for everyone (I hate Glocks, but love this)
- Trigger may not be as good as worked-over Glock/XD trigger
- Had to request updated extractor and mag springs from Steyr for 100% reliability (new pistols should be fine)
- Questionable future support and parts availability (compared to Glock/XD)
- Trapezoidal sights (I like them, and if you don't, can be swapped for traditional sights of your choice)
- Slightly bigger than G19 (with same mag cap)
- Not much choice in holsters (compared to Glock/XD)
I snagged mine from CDNN when they were blowing them out for $350. It's a no brainer at that price (really, at under $400, I'd take it over a beat up Glock or XD). Over $400...you're probably safer with one of the Glock/XD/M&P group for mags, parts availability, and company support.
Once mine was sorted out with the updated extractor and mag springs, however, I put it through its paces and feel 100% confidence in it. I also added a stainless steel guide rod and the Glide-Rite strike pin bushings. It's my nightstand pistol.
I've fired one of my friend's XDM-9's with a Powder River Precision trigger. THAT was nice. The Steyr's trigger seemed not to far off.
Then again, I'm pretty much a gun noob. I qual'd on the M9 when I was in the AF, but shooting it once every two years doesn't help much.
#2256
The HiPoint is an awesome gun. The latest versions even have a stock that isn't completely butt-ugly. My only problem is they take proprietary 10rd magazine... I think somebody sells an aftermarket 15rd mag though. Whatever moron at HiPoint decided not to use another brands hi-cap mag lost out on a huge demographic.
Look at Keltec... their Sub2000 takes 4 different kinds of mags you can get in 30rd configurations, and they sell for almost double MSRP and are unavailable on shelves, and most FFL's wont take a deposit or order one for you because of how hard they are to get.
The equally as ugly Beretta CX4 used the hi-cap mags from the 92f and is even more expensive than a Keltec... and I can't believe they are any more reliable than the Hi-Point, which has a reliablility reputation that's equal to anything else you can name.
IMHO, the HiPoint is almost the perfect gun. I can even get over how ugly it is. I've fired on once and it was great... but lack of hi-cap mags is a complete and utter deal breaker.
Your other options in a "black-type gun" is the Just Right Carbine, or the MechTech Glock carbine conversion... which after it's kitt'd out, is more than 2 HiPoints.
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I'm thinking a 3-9x40 is bit overkill... but a basic 30mm reddot would be perfect for a gun you're not gonna shoot past about 100yds... maybe 150yds... but this one is fairly tacticool.
Look at Keltec... their Sub2000 takes 4 different kinds of mags you can get in 30rd configurations, and they sell for almost double MSRP and are unavailable on shelves, and most FFL's wont take a deposit or order one for you because of how hard they are to get.
The equally as ugly Beretta CX4 used the hi-cap mags from the 92f and is even more expensive than a Keltec... and I can't believe they are any more reliable than the Hi-Point, which has a reliablility reputation that's equal to anything else you can name.
IMHO, the HiPoint is almost the perfect gun. I can even get over how ugly it is. I've fired on once and it was great... but lack of hi-cap mags is a complete and utter deal breaker.
Your other options in a "black-type gun" is the Just Right Carbine, or the MechTech Glock carbine conversion... which after it's kitt'd out, is more than 2 HiPoints.
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I'm thinking a 3-9x40 is bit overkill... but a basic 30mm reddot would be perfect for a gun you're not gonna shoot past about 100yds... maybe 150yds... but this one is fairly tacticool.
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Thanks, I like the Hi Point because it saves me about $500. Now that I know there is a big-mag out there, I'm even more interested. The single-stack 10-rd mag is retarded. A Hi Point with carbine with a Trijicon sight would be cool and cheap to shoot.
Can I shoot those at any range?
Can I shoot those at any range?
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Sub2000 was the same. MSRP is $409.00 and you see ******** @ shows trying to sell them for $599 when they should sell for $290ish.
Hipoint carbine is one of my favorite cheap guns also. What drew me to the 2k is glock magazines are very cheap and very plentiful for 33 rounders, plus I already own a glock handgun.