Vader rods
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Thought you like to check out some new con rods.
AL racing rods.
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I thought they were just flat out sexy, and wanted to share.
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For a new sheet design, the price is not as much as expected.
*edit* These just came out 5 Feb 2013.
They were designed by an engine builder, not an engineer.
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I am sure they do.
It is about the big end girth that has been addressed, like not having to notch the block.
Try fitting the BME in a stock SBC, and there is clearance issues all over the place.
The Vader rods fit in a stock block with out the clearance issues found with most of the other aftermarket al rods.
It is about the big end girth that has been addressed, like not having to notch the block.
Try fitting the BME in a stock SBC, and there is clearance issues all over the place.
The Vader rods fit in a stock block with out the clearance issues found with most of the other aftermarket al rods.
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I want to see them survive. I like to see new cool stuff. From an engineers prospective who has never run any analysis on a conrod, some parts of that geometry do not make sense.
Also Just a guess...if you are building an engine where the cost & life cycle issues on an aluminum rod are worthwhile, notching the block or using a block where notching is not needed or minimal, is not an issue.
Also Just a guess...if you are building an engine where the cost & life cycle issues on an aluminum rod are worthwhile, notching the block or using a block where notching is not needed or minimal, is not an issue.
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So i read that link. I like those guys. Their writing style makes me chuckle and its fun to read.
But being a lead design engineer at a company that builds race aluminum parts out of "proprietary" alloy, knowing what makes a strong or durable alum part, some of what they are hyping there...![](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/hsugh.gif)
Prostock do not run alum rods. Top fuel do.
But being a lead design engineer at a company that builds race aluminum parts out of "proprietary" alloy, knowing what makes a strong or durable alum part, some of what they are hyping there...
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Prostock do not run alum rods. Top fuel do.
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I want to see them survive. I like to see new cool stuff. From an engineers prospective who has never run any analysis on a conrod, some parts of that geometry do not make sense.
Also Just a guess...if you are building an engine where the cost & life cycle issues on an aluminum rod are worthwhile, notching the block or using a block where notching is not needed or minimal, is not an issue.
Also Just a guess...if you are building an engine where the cost & life cycle issues on an aluminum rod are worthwhile, notching the block or using a block where notching is not needed or minimal, is not an issue.
As for the design of it, I have no Idea, Most my working life has been with heads.
As far as the block issue, it is just makes life simpler, not having to notch, or notch as much.
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Things I learned:
FFWD rods are "not designed by a tie-clad, Khaki-wearing CAD geek," which is a pretty good description of the type of person I would trust to design a rod.
BME owns a machine which is called a BeaverMatic.
FFWD rods are "not designed by a tie-clad, Khaki-wearing CAD geek," which is a pretty good description of the type of person I would trust to design a rod.
BME owns a machine which is called a BeaverMatic.
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So i read that link. I like those guys. Their writing style makes me chuckle and its fun to read.
But being a lead design engineer at a company that builds race aluminum parts out of "proprietary" alloy, knowing what makes a strong or durable alum part, some of what they are hyping there...![](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/hsugh.gif)
Prostock do not run alum rods. Top fuel do.
But being a lead design engineer at a company that builds race aluminum parts out of "proprietary" alloy, knowing what makes a strong or durable alum part, some of what they are hyping there...
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/hsugh.gif)
Prostock do not run alum rods. Top fuel do.
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Hey guys. A buddy of ours sent me this link to where our Vader rods were being shared. After reading the above comments, it seems that you may have questions and/or have been misled in the past on the use of Al rods on the street or otherwise. Not to mention, their design in general as well as choice of words in my ad seems to bother some on here.
I'll be happy to address them as I can shoot it to you straight with no BS.
I can't guarantee how long I can keep checking this page as it's been pretty busy around here, but I'll do my best to keep up.
Fire away.
I'll be happy to address them as I can shoot it to you straight with no BS.
I can't guarantee how long I can keep checking this page as it's been pretty busy around here, but I'll do my best to keep up.
Fire away.
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We have built 4G63 race motors for the past 13 years and guess what? We cryo treated every motor we did as standard practice just because we knew that it worked. We don't like to offer substandard parts if we know something else is better to use.
So it went without saying, yes, we were going to do the same with our rods we've designed. No question about it.
We also never did have one return in all those years on a motor build. That's a huge deal as those were used in a racing environment with us having no control over their installation and/or use. We feel that many factors rolled up as a whole (including cryo processing) has a lot to do with that track record.
One thing to point out, with all things considered, we're basically not even charging for cryo processing services with these rods. You receive it as a "freebie" to show appreciation that you recognize the best when you see it.
We did this as well with our motors...which is even a larger deal as a longblock sure as hell weighs more than a set of 4 banger rods...heavier it is, the more money it will be to maintain -300 degrees for 24 hours.
We'd rather have happy customers and no returns, than unhappy ones with issues. If it means digging into our pockets to make it so (with decreased profit margins in the process), be it so.
Thanks for asking!
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But if you would like more info into this process, do a Google search on cryo processing. We're not expecting people to believe us...just read up on the subject and be your own judge. We encourage people to use their brains.
Cryo processing is nothing new or mysterious. Been around forever buddy. I just think you need to be a bit more informed on the process.