Recommend a winter vehicle
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Looking at buying a car that gets good gas mileage (at a decent speed) for Tahoe trips this winter. Drive is ~400 miles each way.
Requirements are that it can seat 4 guys, boards on top, our crap in trunk. A wagon would be preferred but definitely not required. AWD is definitely a plus as well but I'd rather have fuel economy. Budget is hopefully around $5k or less. I'll take suggestions that are more than that, but they get dinged right away because of it.
Right now I'm looking at something like a Jetta TDI because they get ~45mpg at 80mph. I've also considered an older Suby but don't believe they get the mileage I'm looking for.
Suggestions?
Requirements are that it can seat 4 guys, boards on top, our crap in trunk. A wagon would be preferred but definitely not required. AWD is definitely a plus as well but I'd rather have fuel economy. Budget is hopefully around $5k or less. I'll take suggestions that are more than that, but they get dinged right away because of it.
Right now I'm looking at something like a Jetta TDI because they get ~45mpg at 80mph. I've also considered an older Suby but don't believe they get the mileage I'm looking for.
Suggestions?
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If you stay away from the WRX's and Legacys, price shouldn't be too bad. My 08 WRX gets 25mpg mixed, and that's with heavy footed mountain driving. Driving like a good boy on the hwy gets me 28/29 mpg. (its for sale BTW)
The older TDI's that are in your price range, are not legal here in Cali, afaik.
Chaining up, and diving with chains sucks *****. Don't do it. AWD hurts your MPG''s a bit, but unless you friends are willing to lay in the mud to put your chains on, make them pony up a little extra in gas money.
The older TDI's that are in your price range, are not legal here in Cali, afaik.
Chaining up, and diving with chains sucks *****. Don't do it. AWD hurts your MPG''s a bit, but unless you friends are willing to lay in the mud to put your chains on, make them pony up a little extra in gas money.
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If you stay away from the WRX's and Legacys, price shouldn't be too bad. My 08 WRX gets 25mpg mixed, and that's with heavy footed mountain driving. Driving like a good boy on the hwy gets me 28/29 mpg. (its for sale BTW)
The older TDI's that are in your price range, are not legal here in Cali, afaik.
Chaining up, and diving with chains sucks *****. Don't do it. AWD hurts your MPG''s a bit, but unless you friends are willing to lay in the mud to put your chains on, make them pony up a little extra in gas money.
The older TDI's that are in your price range, are not legal here in Cali, afaik.
Chaining up, and diving with chains sucks *****. Don't do it. AWD hurts your MPG''s a bit, but unless you friends are willing to lay in the mud to put your chains on, make them pony up a little extra in gas money.
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Agreed about putting on chains.
Why do you think the older TDIs aren't California legal?
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Many of my friends have them and are big turbo bricks guys. Can't say I'm a huge fan, although I definitely would not be against owning one if it was the right choice. That being said, I don't believe it is as I think I would be disappointed with the fuel economy.
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An E30/E36 BMW 325ix (the awd model) might work, and would be a hole hell of a lot more fun then a slow *** Volvo.
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Im sure your more bad *** than I am
. Stock drive train, suspension and brakes are only mods. My mixed tank is 88 miles of spirited mountain driving, followed by two hours of fwy driving. This is what I get the 24 mpg out of. Results may vary.
My TDI knowledge is based off a single conservation with a guy who had a late model one, probably 2009? He said that until VW did the direct injection, Cali didn't consider it clean enough, and the older ones were only 48 state legal.
If this is not correct, I apologize for flapping my ignorant lips.
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My TDI knowledge is based off a single conservation with a guy who had a late model one, probably 2009? He said that until VW did the direct injection, Cali didn't consider it clean enough, and the older ones were only 48 state legal.
If this is not correct, I apologize for flapping my ignorant lips.
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Early '00s Chrysler Town & Country Minivan.
I am dead serious.
You want something roomy as hell, comfortable for four adults on 400 mile trips, AWD, good on gas, and with plenty of space for snowboards and gear.
The early to mid '00s Town & Country fits this bill to a tee. They all had V6 engines in the 200-250 ft/lbs range, about half of them were fitted with AWD (always as part of a standard trim level), and they're rated for 22-24 MPG highway. Rated to tow 3,500 lbs, too.
And those ******* are reliable, believe it or not. A friend of mine uses a stripped-out FWD version as his work truck (he runs a flooring business) and the thing just never gives him a minute's trouble.
I am dead serious.
You want something roomy as hell, comfortable for four adults on 400 mile trips, AWD, good on gas, and with plenty of space for snowboards and gear.
The early to mid '00s Town & Country fits this bill to a tee. They all had V6 engines in the 200-250 ft/lbs range, about half of them were fitted with AWD (always as part of a standard trim level), and they're rated for 22-24 MPG highway. Rated to tow 3,500 lbs, too.
And those ******* are reliable, believe it or not. A friend of mine uses a stripped-out FWD version as his work truck (he runs a flooring business) and the thing just never gives him a minute's trouble.
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I had a 2000 Outback wagon and although it only got 24mpg, it was ******* awesome and I want another one. I had it in Santa Fe for a winter and fell in love with it. Dog **** slow, but fun as **** in the snow and didn't have super-ghey traction control.
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Some options I have found so far:
97 Subaru OBS w/ 300k for $2200
97 Subaru Outback w/ 150k for $2100 (new tires, temp gauge starts to climb in hot weather)
95 Subaru Impreza w/ 239k for $350 (coolant leak)
84 Volvo 760 GLE turbo diesel w/ 89k for $1000 (bad injector pump seals)
97 Subaru OBS w/ 300k for $2200
97 Subaru Outback w/ 150k for $2100 (new tires, temp gauge starts to climb in hot weather)
95 Subaru Impreza w/ 239k for $350 (coolant leak)
84 Volvo 760 GLE turbo diesel w/ 89k for $1000 (bad injector pump seals)
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Very good point. However, at least on the whole string of these produced in the 90s the trans was a known weak point, I swapped two or three of them for friends. That said, the resale is low because of this so you can get a deal. And the trans swap is not that difficult, at least on the FWD ones.
Also, FWIW from someone in the mountainous NE, really good snow tires on FWD is equivalent to at least AWD on all seasons, or better. It is damn near impossible to get stuck on Blizzaks, the car will need to be resting on it's belly on the snow. FWD is better on gas and easier and cheaper to maintain.
Also, FWIW from someone in the mountainous NE, really good snow tires on FWD is equivalent to at least AWD on all seasons, or better. It is damn near impossible to get stuck on Blizzaks, the car will need to be resting on it's belly on the snow. FWD is better on gas and easier and cheaper to maintain.