Picking a new truck
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Honestly, if you can afford it, get the diesel 3/4 ton.
I would have bought one but they are WAY more expensive. Anything in my price range was 10 years old. Getting a loan on a 10+ year old truck is out of the question for me because of interest rates.
I would have bought one but they are WAY more expensive. Anything in my price range was 10 years old. Getting a loan on a 10+ year old truck is out of the question for me because of interest rates.
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not to sound like a broken record, but to agree with those above..
IF mind is set on that type of payload and towing capacity needed with a trailer that size, I'd be heading down the SD path and not looking back. The 6.7 SD is a fantastic truck. Pay to play like anything else, and while towing with a SD you will have zero regrets about your decision. Money you spend up front for the diesel, you will get back when it comes to resale.
IF willing to go down to a smaller trailer, I'd consider a half ton. This is the bucket I fall into currently. I tow so infrequently, maybe 3-4 times per year, and when I do its a small open trailer for the miata usually. The upfront cost, maintenance, and fuel savings over the diesel option has led me to be really happy with my 2018 Silverado 1500 so far. If I ever get to the point where towing more frequently or heavier becomes a thing, I'd be trading in for a diesel without question.
IF mind is set on that type of payload and towing capacity needed with a trailer that size, I'd be heading down the SD path and not looking back. The 6.7 SD is a fantastic truck. Pay to play like anything else, and while towing with a SD you will have zero regrets about your decision. Money you spend up front for the diesel, you will get back when it comes to resale.
IF willing to go down to a smaller trailer, I'd consider a half ton. This is the bucket I fall into currently. I tow so infrequently, maybe 3-4 times per year, and when I do its a small open trailer for the miata usually. The upfront cost, maintenance, and fuel savings over the diesel option has led me to be really happy with my 2018 Silverado 1500 so far. If I ever get to the point where towing more frequently or heavier becomes a thing, I'd be trading in for a diesel without question.
As for whether I'm sold on Ford: no, not necessarily. I am a little wary to spend $55k+ on a FCA product though.
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So followup question: I'm assuming the only reason to go with a 3/4-ton over a 1-ton is registration requirements right? Oregon, as far as I know, does not require any additional registration fees as long as the GCWR is 26k lbs or under, which the SRW gas trucks should be under.
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3500 SRWs are better as long as there's no legal downside to owning one in your state. Some states have licensing or weigh station requirements that change at 10k GVWR. Most 2500s are under that, all 3500s are over that.
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It depends on the MFG big time. The only difference between a 2500 and a 3500SRW Silverado is the rear overload springs and nothing else. The difference between an F250 and an F350 SRW is enormous (I-beam vs solid front axle).
3500 SRWs are better as long as there's no legal downside to owning one in your state. Some states have licensing or weigh station requirements that change at 10k GVWR. Most 2500s are under that, all 3500s are over that.
3500 SRWs are better as long as there's no legal downside to owning one in your state. Some states have licensing or weigh station requirements that change at 10k GVWR. Most 2500s are under that, all 3500s are over that.
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Interesting, even the RWD trucks? I could have sworn the 3/4 ton versions were still using that twin I-beam design deep into the 2000s.
Or maybe I'm thinking of the Dodges - I know the RWD Dodges are IRS, but the 4wd trucks are solid axle.
Or maybe I'm thinking of the Dodges - I know the RWD Dodges are IRS, but the 4wd trucks are solid axle.
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How frequently will you be towing a 24' trailer? And how far?
There is still wayyy too much "go oversize or go home" mentality in the truck world - lots of guys drive 3/4 or 1 ton trucks when a half-ton would be perfectly adequate for them, and they are convinced that anyone who hauls with a smaller truck is an idiot - and they are very vocal in telling the world that.
A half-ton truck is a passenger vehicle, a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck is a "truck" - what does that mean? the 3/4 and 1 ton vehicles are designed around hauling and towing first and passengers second - you'll not want to take the truck anywhere unless your utility needs necessitate taking the truck; it a relatively uncomfortable ride and getting in/out tends to be extremely inconvenient for anyone shorter than about 6' - running boards are always an option. If you buy the half-ton, you are getting a passenger vehicle which is comfortable, a bit more nimble, and which your family of 6 will frequently desire to take over the minivan/whatever else you have, but you really start to take the hit in payload capacity as noted by the manufacturers. As far as towing capacity, the manufacturer looks at hills, wind, traffic, braking, etc., but you do run the risk of tongue weight causing an issue (because tongue weight is placed on the rear axle of the truck and is therefore factored into your payload capacity).
In Ohio, there's no legal limit to how much you can tow (exceeding towing capacity isn't an offense), just don't exceed the weight ratings that turn you into a commercial vehicle or the axle ratings that determine safe operating conditions (again, payload capacity is a function of allowable axle weight)
If the half-ton meets your weight requirements and you won't be frequently pulling (moderate distances a few times a year or short distances a couple times per month), then it probably doesn't make sense to step up to an actual truck, and your family will get more use out of the pickup. If you do need to use it to tow frequently and long distance, then buy a real truck but accept that it will probably be hauling the family less often than you imagine.
I've got a Tundra, and I do occasionally tow at or beyond the rated towing capacity with properly distributed weight; you can get back a lot of your safety by driving appropriately. I'm happy to drive 50-55 on an open freeway at towing capacity while the 3/4 ton pickups are doing 80 with the same load, I just don't tow frequently or far enough to justify the costs of pushing the speed limit when I do.
There will be someone on here who wants to rip me or tell me that I'm unsafe and that someone is going to sue me when I run in to them and it's going to cost me millions of dollars - those are the same bro-dozers from line 2 of this post who will tell you it's unsafe to tow a pop-up camper with anything less than an F-450.
There is still wayyy too much "go oversize or go home" mentality in the truck world - lots of guys drive 3/4 or 1 ton trucks when a half-ton would be perfectly adequate for them, and they are convinced that anyone who hauls with a smaller truck is an idiot - and they are very vocal in telling the world that.
A half-ton truck is a passenger vehicle, a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck is a "truck" - what does that mean? the 3/4 and 1 ton vehicles are designed around hauling and towing first and passengers second - you'll not want to take the truck anywhere unless your utility needs necessitate taking the truck; it a relatively uncomfortable ride and getting in/out tends to be extremely inconvenient for anyone shorter than about 6' - running boards are always an option. If you buy the half-ton, you are getting a passenger vehicle which is comfortable, a bit more nimble, and which your family of 6 will frequently desire to take over the minivan/whatever else you have, but you really start to take the hit in payload capacity as noted by the manufacturers. As far as towing capacity, the manufacturer looks at hills, wind, traffic, braking, etc., but you do run the risk of tongue weight causing an issue (because tongue weight is placed on the rear axle of the truck and is therefore factored into your payload capacity).
In Ohio, there's no legal limit to how much you can tow (exceeding towing capacity isn't an offense), just don't exceed the weight ratings that turn you into a commercial vehicle or the axle ratings that determine safe operating conditions (again, payload capacity is a function of allowable axle weight)
If the half-ton meets your weight requirements and you won't be frequently pulling (moderate distances a few times a year or short distances a couple times per month), then it probably doesn't make sense to step up to an actual truck, and your family will get more use out of the pickup. If you do need to use it to tow frequently and long distance, then buy a real truck but accept that it will probably be hauling the family less often than you imagine.
I've got a Tundra, and I do occasionally tow at or beyond the rated towing capacity with properly distributed weight; you can get back a lot of your safety by driving appropriately. I'm happy to drive 50-55 on an open freeway at towing capacity while the 3/4 ton pickups are doing 80 with the same load, I just don't tow frequently or far enough to justify the costs of pushing the speed limit when I do.
There will be someone on here who wants to rip me or tell me that I'm unsafe and that someone is going to sue me when I run in to them and it's going to cost me millions of dollars - those are the same bro-dozers from line 2 of this post who will tell you it's unsafe to tow a pop-up camper with anything less than an F-450.
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"It's different".
As for truck recommendations, the Chevy dealer around the corner from me currently has advertised prices $10K below MSRP on brand-new 2020 Duramax Silverados. That's what I'd be looking at if I wanted a new truck.
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I don't own an F450 and my current trailer absorbs roughly 90% of my SUV's tow capacity, but I have towed some pretty sizeable rigs over the years and I've always paid a lot of attention to hitch capacity, GVWR, GCWR, and rear GAWR. Those four, along with tire ratings, are the five things you absolutely must pay attention to, IMO.