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i love the ones who cheat.
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I love vegetarians...on a bun.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 859736)
Vegetarians piss me off. Vegans especially.
They're all hypocrites, really. I mean, eating a duck is evil, eating a pig is evil, eating cheese is evil... But a loaf of bread? Sure, they have no problem at all tearing into that, along with the millions of yeast which were brutally murdered in the baker's oven to make it. Why is it that something apparently has to have a face in order to be worth caring about?
Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 859901)
what's worse is they eat animal substitutes in some sort of sadistic evil plot to still feel like they've killed an animal.
isn't that all just silly? commit to your goddam lifestyle and eat vegetables that look like vegetables! I don't see why people give a damn about what a vegan/vegetarian puts in their mouth. I don't give you a hard time about what you put in your orifices. |
Originally Posted by mx5autoxer
(Post 859798)
I'm vegan...well 90% of the time. Getting all pouty cus animals die isn't the only reason to be vegan. I do it for health reasons. I recently cut meat and dairy out and eat almost exclusively fresh fruits and vegies as well as brown rice and other whole foods and I constantly feel like I've had 4 cups of coffee, but without the jitters and all the other side effects of caffeine. Actually I don't need coffee every day like I used too. Oh I also started running in the morning which helps even more.
I am healthy as fuk, and live off 4-6 hours of sleep a night but have enough energy to do work and also party all the time. I attribute 50% of that to my diet and 50% to HITT and strength exercise (crossfit). I have a vegan diet though because I like animals. They are generally cute. Much cuter than people. That said, I have also strongly considered adding home-grown insects to my diet. Fat, protein, very low carbs. I think insects are a great food source. Yes everything has to suffer and die for someone to live. As I said though, cows are cute, pigs are cute, chickens and ducks are cute etc. As for seafood, I would prefer that the ocean be filled with strange slimy wriggling lifeforms as opposed to just be a lifeless salty bucket. My real issue with animal consumption is scale. With 8+billion people around, that is a lot of frikken food that has to be produced. With so many damn humans, everyone should be fed bugs and fungus. Would keep the world a much nicer place with wilderness and wild animals. Yay. Also. Factory farming is a motherufkkr and absolutely revoltingly disgusting. It's a hideous travesty of a technologically-reliant (antibiotics, hormones, genetic manipulation) institution. If you haven't read about factory farming, you should. Yes free range farming is great, but there's not enough land to feed everyone on the planet with free-range-farmed animals. So I don't support it. The End. |
Pigs are only cute when they are domestic, feral pigs are not cute.
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I'm eating a steak tonight for Min.
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Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 859934)
Yes free range farming is great, but there's not enough land to feed everyone on the planet with free-range-farmed animals. So I don't support it. The End.
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Originally Posted by mx5autoxer
(Post 859798)
Getting all pouty cus animals die isn't the only reason to be vegan. I do it for health reasons.
"Ethical vegetarians" piss me off. These are the folks who refrain from eating animals or using animal products because it is morally wrong to so so. To quote ethicalvegetarian.com: "Although ethical vegetarians enjoy the benefits of the healthy diet and lifestyle of vegetarianism, they are not vegetarians because of health reasons: they are vegetarians because they want to minimize cruelty and death in the world. Good health is just a pleasant side-effect." So, when an ethical vegetarian explains to me why it's wrong to have leather upholstery in my car, or even to drink most commercially-produced wines (because the fining agents used to clarify the wine are derived from animal products), and then they go and eat a slice of bread, that's just utter hypocrisy. If it is morally wrong to kill animals, then the production of bread is tantamount to genocide on a scale unparalleled in all of human history- more yeast are incinerated in a single hour at the baker's oven than the total number of people of all races put to death in all the concentration camps of WWII combined. In fact, ethical vegetarians are inherently anti-Christian. The production of bread is discussed 361 times in the king James bible. It is practically a metaphor for the entire religion, inasmuch as Christ compares himself to bread, and promotes its ritualistic consumption to his disciples shortly before his execution. So by their worldview, ethical vegetarians must denounce Christianity (as well as Judaism) as supporting the greatest and most widespread racial holocaust the world has ever known. Given the present sociopolitical climate in the US, Christianity is very much in vogue right now, and weirdm scary people who denounce it are fit to be ostracised. Is that really what you want? Do you want to murder baby Jesus? Because every time you refuse to kill and eat an animal, that's exactly what you are doing. Down with ethical vegetarians.
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 859925)
I don't see why people give a damn about what a vegan/vegetarian puts in their mouth.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 859976)
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Not fast enough I'm afraid. I've been needing a new sig for a while now. |
Originally Posted by Jeff_Ciesielski
(Post 859981)
Hahaha, Nice ninja edit Joe.
Not fast enough I'm afraid. I've been needing a new sig for a while now. |
Wow. Well I think just about anyone will agree that yeast is different from cows: they don't have a nervous system and aren't even animals. I don't think there is anything wrong with killing and eating animals, but: 1) Fae is correct in saying that modern farming (factory farming) is bad news. It is terrible for the environment and for our health. 2) The diet of Western civilizations is very high in meat and recent studies show strong correlations with high animal content in diet and increased cardiovascular diseases.
TL; DR- Vegan is cheaper, healthier, and more enviro-friendly EDIT: While typing this I am eating some venison. Small portion, only eat it once in a while, no hormones, killed humanely, ultimate free range product, saved someone from getting their front bumper tore up. |
Originally Posted by mx5autoxer
(Post 859998)
2) The diet of Western civilizations is very high in meat and recent studies show strong correlations with high animal content in diet and increased cardiovascular diseases.
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Originally Posted by mx5autoxer
(Post 860027)
http://www.bidmc.org/YourHealth/Heal...ChunkID=496424
http://www.jhsph.edu/clf/programs/ea...nutrition.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18954578 These are peer reviewed studies. As a biologist I put more faith in peer reviewed articles than anything else. The problem with observational studies. |
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 859934)
My real issue with animal consumption is scale. With 8+billion people around, that is a lot of frikken food that has to be produced. With so many damn humans, everyone should be fed bugs and fungus. Would keep the world a much nicer place with wilderness and wild animals. Yay.
Also. Factory farming is a motherufkkr and absolutely revoltingly disgusting. It's a hideous travesty of a technologically-reliant (antibiotics, hormones, genetic manipulation) institution. If you haven't read about factory farming, you should. Yes free range farming is great, but there's not enough land to feed everyone on the planet with free-range-farmed animals. So I don't support it. The End. 2. fixing your own diet solves 1/7,000,000,000th of the problem. I married a sustainable ag advocate who attempts to change things on the production side. therefore I don't feel guilty eating meat (at least when I know where it came from and how it was produced). her work on the farm bill will (hopefully, eventually, unlikely because corn farmers love subsidies) ultimately improve the situation for the whole country, not just one skinny indonesian with questionable sawzall skillz.
Originally Posted by mx5autoxer
(Post 859998)
The diet of Western civilizations is very high in meat and recent studies show strong correlations with high animal content in diet and increased cardiovascular diseases.
TL; DR- Vegan is cheaper, healthier, and more enviro-friendly EDIT: While typing this I am eating some venison. Small portion, only eat it once in a while, no hormones, killed humanely, ultimate free range product, saved someone from getting their front bumper tore up. but I agree that red meat makes your cardiovascular health worse. it's got a lot of saturated fat, and not the good kind. grass fed is better but not perfect. maybe chicken. also people still are duped into thinking pork isn't a red meat. it is!
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 860007)
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In my house we only eat free-range hormone free grass fed beef, deer, and bison. All 3 have SUBSTANTIALLY less cholesterol and bad fats. But fear not, I still get my fair helping of hormones and bad fats when I eat out.
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i like cake.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 860053)
i like cake.
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 860044)
1. world must stop producing so many babies and making places like the obesity farm known as "The Cheesecake Factory". Seriously, religion wants babies because they are the new clone army. But it's bad for the planet. Third rail omg!
2. fixing your own diet solves 1/7,000,000,000th of the problem. I married a sustainable ag advocate who attempts to change things on the production side. therefore I don't feel guilty eating meat (at least when I know where it came from and how it was produced). her work on the farm bill will (hopefully, eventually, unlikely because corn farmers love subsidies) ultimately improve the situation for the whole country, not just one skinny indonesian with questionable sawzall skillz. it's the corn-fed-omega-3-depleted-saturated-fatty-cow problem you're speaking of. eat 100% grass fed beef and the problem becomes a much smaller problem. but I agree that red meat makes your cardiovascular health worse. it's got a lot of saturated fat, and not the good kind. grass fed is better but not perfect. maybe chicken. also people still are duped into thinking pork isn't a red meat. it is! haha win. And yes, population is one of the biggest problems we face and is at the root of a ton of other problems. We could all drive turbo miatas running pig rich and never run out of 93 octane or cause significant global warming if there were 1/100th the amount of people on the earth (not real numbers obviously) |
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