Who cares, if it works? Not all double wishbones are equal, not all macstrut are equal.

They need the space in the rear to fit a flat six between the wheels. Same reason the 86 has struts up front.

I dunno why the front suspension on a 911 is strut -- they make it perform really well despite that though!

--Ian

While I want to concur from a purely emotional level, this is like observing that the C7 Corvette uses leaf springs, just like the covered wagons of the gold-rush era.

It is technically true, but completely ignores the competence and skill with which any given technology is implemented.

Any 1st hand opinions of the kia stinger? Wife is interested. I think rear visibility will kill it. Currently cross shopping against Subaru legacy. Must be AWD.

You're cross-shopping a Kia against a Scubaroo?

You're obviously going to buy the Kia. No amount of logic or reason will convince you otherwise.

Hahahaha this is the wife's car. Logic and reason have fled the building.

Only if it's the GT.

We have a '13 Outback and the thing has an oil consumption problem since new.
All the newer engines that use 0W20 from Subaru have this problem, and they claim it is "within spec"
We like everything about the car except the engine. I don't like adding 2 quarts between oil changes.
We won't buy another Subaru.

Logic and reason would point towards the Kia anyways, so i find your statement 110% correct.

My '18 Outback 4-cylinder uses about 1 pint per 5K miles. I just adjusted my change cycle from 5K to 6K after a Blackstone evaluation. 33K miles total on the car.

I understand that it is hit or miss if they burn or do not burn.

TBH, this while thing seems like deciding whether you prefer chlamydia or syphilis.

The FA20 in my '15 BRZ, purchased new in Oct '14, traded in Jan '18 @36k miles...........never burned any appreciable amount of oil.

I'd probably go for the Kia over the Outback.......but the upper-spec level of both cars is $10k apart!

Magnitude 5.8 earthquake in Istanbul.

No property damage, no injuries, no fatalities.
Schools are closed.
News channels dumped everything else, nothing but street interviews with panicked idiots on TV.
Phones were useless for about an hour.

All this for a five point eight.

Maynard James Keenan should get on live TV and whisper "learn to swim" to the mic. This is the perfect place for that song.

dat kia warranty.

but those tail lights remind me of 1979 cartoon plastic man's sunglasses and I can't ever unfeel that.

also don't responsible adults buy cars for the environment or do we all just accept global warming and DGAF?

I buy what i like.

0w 20 motor oil is only for the Federal CAFE standards and will lead to the premature death of your engine. Use a proper viscosity oil and your engine won't wear as much and won't use as much because it won't wear as much.

Wife's requirements are:
AWD
Heated leather seats
Excellent visibility
<$35k

You'd think it would be easy, right? Nope. Hates everything she's sat in.


The kia is the 2.0T "limited" with the potato engine and bells/whistles. They have a 2018 they couldn't unload, and it's been knocked down from $40k to $32k.

I did switch it over to 5w20 at around 30k miles and it seemed to slow down the consumption for awhile.
I know they use 0w20 to hit MPG targets, but other manufacturers using the same weight don't have the same consumption problems.
I think it's more to do with the shitty 2.5L engine than anything else.

I've been running 0w40 in the Miata for 6 years with no ill effects.

Am I the only one who thinks that paying $32,000 for a Russian-built knockoff of a Ford Taurus is insane?

Maybe, but you'd also be the only one that would think that the Taurus was ever a RWD sedan, apparently. :bowrofl: