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Unless he were to explicitly spell out the danger before he sold it then I would still say it is at the very least highly unethical, if not borderline negligence. We all know the average car buyer does not come close to understanding how crumple zones and crash supports work. They will not fully understand the damage until they actually wreck it.
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it's not my job to educate a buyer about crash zones; i know nothing of them. It would be unethical of me to try to explain them to a potential buyer.
If someone were to buy the car, and die from the car being crumpled, all the fault would go to the insurance company who determined the car safe for the road. As like you said: "the average car buyer does not come close to understanding how crumple zones and crash supports work."
If someone were to buy the car, and die from the car being crumpled, all the fault would go to the insurance company who determined the car safe for the road. As like you said: "the average car buyer does not come close to understanding how crumple zones and crash supports work."
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I am not saying to break it down into explicit detail. I was thinking of something along the lines of, "This has been in a rear-end collision and the crumple zone has been compromised. In the event of another rear-end collision the chances of it's complete failure and serious injury has significantly increased."
It wouldn't have to sound so formal but some kind of statement to disclose that the damage is more than superficial. It may not be illegal for you to not explain this but it is highly unethical for you to do so, which is all I am saying.
It wouldn't have to sound so formal but some kind of statement to disclose that the damage is more than superficial. It may not be illegal for you to not explain this but it is highly unethical for you to do so, which is all I am saying.
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"This has been in a rear-end collision and the crumple zone has been compromised. In the event of another rear-end collision the chances of it's complete failure and serious injury has significantly increased."
when i sell my car, here's what I'm going to tell a potential buyer about the car being rear ended three times:
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I will respond with:
the car was rear ended three times. I had it fixed.
Im sorry I dont follow your Kantian way of life.
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How would that be a lie? One of the crash supports is clearly broken. The crumple zone is already partly crumpled and weakened. It has clearly been compromised and any mechanic would tell you the same thing. I said the chance of serious injury and complete failure are significantly higher not certain to occur.
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That would imply to almost anyone that you completely fixed the car. I understand the statement you gave is vague and leaves room for interpretation which is why it would not be an illegal action. It would, however, still be highly unethical as you are being intentionally vague as to avoid disclosing the entirety of the situation unless explicitly asked the right question. You are doing this to make the car easier to sell. You can try to justify this in whatever way you see fit, but it is what it is.
I am not telling you to live a certain way or even ethically. I am just calling it like I see it.
I am not telling you to live a certain way or even ethically. I am just calling it like I see it.
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How would that be a lie? One of the crash supports is clearly broken. The crumple zone is already partly crumpled and weakened. It has clearly been compromised and any mechanic would tell you the same thing. I said the chance of serious injury and complete failure are significantly higher not certain to occur.
Because pxdeta is not an expert in crash zones and supports. Telling anyone that they are compromised would be a lie, even if it happened to be true. That's like saying "Global Warming caused Sandy." Is it possible global warming caused Sandy? Sure it's possible. Do you actually know? No.
Here's all he could tell a potential buyer:
The crash bar behind the bumper is broken in half and put some pretty good sized ripples through the bottom of the trunk and a crease in the passenger side of the body. [I did this this and this afterwards...]
It's up to the buyer to determine whether or not it's worth the risk and they price will lowered significantly and negotiated due to the damage and both parties will come to the voluntary choice and agreement of a $$$ for the car.
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It's always buyers beware regardless.
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Because pxdeta is not an expert in crash zones and supports. Telling anyone that they are compromised would be a lie, even if it happened to be true. That's like saying "Global Warming caused Sandy." Is it possible global warming caused Sandy? Sure it's possible. Do you actually know? No. .
Here's all he could tell a potential buyer:
If he tells someone this, and only this, then it's completely ethical.
The crash bar behind the bumper is broken in half and put some pretty good sized ripples through the bottom of the trunk and a crease in the passenger side of the body. [I did this this and this afterwards...]
It's up to the buyer to determine whether or not it's worth the risk and they price will lowered significantly and negotiated due to the damage and both parties will come to the voluntary choice and agreement of a $$$ for the car.
If he tells someone this, and only this, then it's completely ethical.
The crash bar behind the bumper is broken in half and put some pretty good sized ripples through the bottom of the trunk and a crease in the passenger side of the body. [I did this this and this afterwards...]
It's up to the buyer to determine whether or not it's worth the risk and they price will lowered significantly and negotiated due to the damage and both parties will come to the voluntary choice and agreement of a $$$ for the car.
Touche on your responsibility here. I am all for buyer beware from a legal standpoint. From and ethical standpoint I feel that a seller should be as forthcoming as possible with all relevant information.
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Funny story, when I told the adjuster I'd probably just take the money and sell the car as is, he expressed interest in personally purchasing the car. He gave me his cell number so I can call him when the title arrives from the DMV (since I just purchased the car a few weeks ago). That would pretty much resolve an ethics debate wouldn't it?
If the car is sold to another party it won't be difficult to figure out the car has been in an accident that wasn't properly repaired (it was obvious to me when I purchased the car that it had already been wrecked and would be even more noticible now). I'm really not sure what I'll end up doing with it, just keeping it and pissing away the 4 grand on miata parts seems like a pretty good idea.
If the car is sold to another party it won't be difficult to figure out the car has been in an accident that wasn't properly repaired (it was obvious to me when I purchased the car that it had already been wrecked and would be even more noticible now). I'm really not sure what I'll end up doing with it, just keeping it and pissing away the 4 grand on miata parts seems like a pretty good idea.
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Funny story, when I told the adjuster I'd probably just take the money and sell the car as is, he expressed interest in personally purchasing the car. He gave me his cell number so I can call him when the title arrives from the DMV (since I just purchased the car a few weeks ago). That would pretty much resolve an ethics debate wouldn't it?
I called him a two days later, once i bought a new car, and asked him if he wanted to buy it. He was very happy and said he wanted it, and asked how much. When I told him $2000, he then asked, did I fix it. I laughed and said: No, that's why I'm selling it, you can come tow it.
He didn't like that and offered $700.
I sold it within 24 hours of posting online for $1700.
Aside: Another guy was someone I contacted off CL for some stock parts for the replacement prelude I bought the next day, it had a cold air intake on it when I bought it, and I wanted to put the stock airbox on it. His car was beat to hell and just wanted to swap his engine and trans into it, but he didn't like my price either...suffice to say, like I said, I sold it for a price I was very happy with the next afternoon.
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