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Braineack 12-01-2021 10:01 AM

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oilstain 12-01-2021 02:21 PM

Pretty sure you could find 365 people that would pay $20 for a blow-job and make $15 a day! Just gotta write it into the bill-of-sale...
Save it all up and buy a better truck and sell that one for full on fucking! This guy just stumbled on a can't-lose business proposition!

rleete 12-01-2021 02:23 PM

From the picture, I'm pretty sure it's like walking a tightrope.

Don't look down!

oilstain 12-01-2021 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 1613424)
From the picture, I'm pretty sure it's like walking a tightrope.

Don't look down!

Fuck that, from the picture it's like skydiving,
Don't open your eyes at all!

But, there's at least 365 dudes looking for a $20 bj... lol

Also, these are the new Miata (and we must k-swap them!): https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/PR...he-boxster.jpg

Joe Perez 12-01-2021 07:16 PM

I wonder if it would be physically possible to get an entire K20 (or similar) drivetrain squeezed into there.

The whole thing, in its original longitudinal configuration, just moved rearwards by one axle.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c8/41/b1/c...e-boxster-.jpg


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a0ebd27a45.png


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...33dbdd69ef.png

The 986, at this point, has reached a degree of inexpensitivity which would make attempting such a thing kinda not-horrible from a finances standpoint, especially given the issues attending those first-gen engines.

codrus 12-01-2021 08:25 PM

Assuming we're talking about a 986 Boxster like the pictures (rather than the 996 911 that Joe mentioned in text), I expect it'd fit fine if you converted it to transverse mounting and used the Honda transmission. I just don't see a lot of point in swapping a 200 hp 4-cylinder into a car that was widely considered underpowered with a 200 hp flat-6.

Now, a Boxster with an Audi 4.2L V8 is a different story. No cut-away pics (https://engineswapdepot.com/?p=11960), but:


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...efd09aa5bc.jpg

(And no, that's not the motor with the infamous timing chain at the back, it's got a belt at the front. Not that it makes any difference to accessibility if you're putting it underneath a Boxster...)

--Ian

Joe Perez 12-01-2021 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1613434)
Assuming we're talking about a 986 Boxster like the pictures (rather than the 996 911 that Joe mentioned in text),

Typeaux on my part.



Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1613434)
I just don't see a lot of point in swapping a 200 hp 4-cylinder into a car that was widely considered underpowered with a 200 hp flat-6.

Three reasons spring to mind:

1: Reliability.
2: When.
3: Turbocharged.

The original flat-sixes are wearing out. The ones that didn't already fuck themselves to death with their own intermediate mainshaft, that is. And the cost to rebuild is nontrivial.

There are many different plentiful, inexpensive FWD drivetrains with good aftermarket support which I can envision being swapped into that space.


I do kinda like the Audi idea, though. Not sure it'd fit into a street-bodied car, however.

DeerHunter 12-01-2021 09:21 PM

The Audi 4.2 is one of the more epic-sounding engines. Here's a GoPro video of my long-since-departed S4 Cabrio, with Milltek catless downpipes and 2.5" Magnaflow RS4 exhaust:


codrus 12-01-2021 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by DeerHunter (Post 1613438)
The Audi 4.2 is one of the more epic-sounding engines.

Yeah, a friend and I built a magnaflow exhaust for his 6-speed-swapped C5 S6 Avant, it sounded very nice.

--Ian

oilstain 12-02-2021 10:12 AM

This guy put the 4.2 Audi motor in his Boxster (Roxster), interestingly, it uses the Porsche transaxle and bolts right up, no bellhousing adapter needed. https://www.youtube.com/c/HomeBuiltByJeff/videos This is the easy button for a swap, but I doubt the transmission that Porsche put behind the 2.5 liter is going to hold up long term. We'll see if he ever gets it out to the track again.

This guy put a mild turboed, otherwise stock K24 in his 911, and is getting a comfortable 400HP. I think he's going to turn it up more, then build a motor to take higher power. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-X...B-6QD3w/videos There's another guy following in his footsteps, but I can't find his channel at the moment. Again with the Porsche transaxle.

Under boost, with stock internals, it's probably a good idea to only make the factory HP from each cylinder, like stop at 4x the factory power. As long as engine management is taken seriously, just putting rods in and gapping the rings, those motors can do stupid power levels.

Pretty sure Honda transmissions are way cheaper to build or have built to high torque ratings than anything with Porsche written on it, so ideally transverse with a Honda trans would be ideal. That's how they are doing it with the MR2s and NSXs (
/boostedboiz (This is just a link to the Boostedboiz channel, not a video, just like the other two above, but IB is being retarded again) currently have two K swapped MR2s and one NSX) I'm concerned that with the H transmission, the motor is going to want to live where the top wants to be stored.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a4f6d2bfa0.png

These cutaways are fantastic! Can you now find complete K24 with transmission assemblies preferably with dimensions, so we can look a little closer here? My Googlefu is weak on that.

oilstain 12-02-2021 02:57 PM

Yeah, damn. Pretty sure this combo is way too tall where it would want to live without huge shaft angles:
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...800b284fa4.jpg

oilstain 12-02-2021 10:24 PM

But, then again, looking at engine bay pics, it seems like the K series sits a few inches in front of the strut towers... Are the axles giving that stretch, or is it maybe the auto-trans itself? Mysteries abound. That could give enough room to get the package in the car without having to cut and box and re-engineer strength (too much) but still squarely in 'the top doesn't work right because there's no where for it to fold into'.

Nor ideal, but it's not out of the question yet.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a1097b4dd8.jpg

codrus 12-02-2021 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by oilstain (Post 1613495)
But, then again, looking at engine bay pics, it seems like the K series sits a few inches in front of the strut towers... Are the axles giving that stretch, or is it maybe the auto-trans itself? Mysteries abound. That could give enough room to get the package in the car without having to cut and box and re-engineer strength (too much) but still squarely in 'the top doesn't work right because there's no where for it to fold into'.

Nor ideal, but it's not out of the question yet.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a1097b4dd8.jpg

The transmission is mostly behind the engine, that's how the axles line up with the strut towers.

I wonder if it's possible to lean the engine forwards far enough to fit? Might need a custom oil pan and pickup.

--Ian

afm 12-03-2021 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1613501)
The transmission is mostly behind the engine, that's how the axles line up with the strut towers.

I wonder if it's possible to lean the engine forwards far enough to fit? Might need a custom oil pan and pickup.

--Ian

Hold my beer…

Oil pan for lean mounts


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4dca57663.jpeg

fooger03 12-03-2021 09:13 AM

That look when they are assigning predetermined names to successive versions of your artwork, and when you finally release your magnum opus timed to be named exactly after you, and they intentionally skip your name on the list.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d487993537.png

oilstain 12-03-2021 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by afm (Post 1613502)
Hold my beer…

Oil pan for lean mounts


Muy interestante! I'll have to do some research on why the Ks have the factory lean. Is it just for weight distro? What's the harm in leaning it forward? Will all of the gravity draining things still drain?
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e41ebb8c11.jpg
This looks like it would fit in the engine compartment, likely without molesting any metal of the car at all. It will still likely want to poke out where the top wants to be when folded. I'll go out and do more measuring and furrowed-brow-staring at it today.

Joe Perez 12-03-2021 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by oilstain (Post 1613518)
I'll have to do some research on why the Ks have the factory lean.

It's not a lean.

It's a... slant.

(I'll see myself out now.)

Braineack 12-03-2021 09:59 AM

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MetalMuffins 12-03-2021 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1613520)
It's not a lean.

It's a... slant.

(I'll see myself out now.)

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a48800574.jpeg

oilstain 12-03-2021 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by MetalMuffins (Post 1613523)

I don't see, maybe if I squint real hard though...


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