WE ALL GONNA DlE!!!!

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:makeout: Can't wait... in a couple years I'll have one finally!!!

I should have wore my Star Wars tie to work today!


EDIT: WTF, you're seriously going ot buy that pos?!

Skinny tie... :giggle:



You're god damn right I am. $22,700 is the base Abarth price, 2600 pounds, 160hp/170tq and 28/34mpg, 0-60 in 6.8 seconds. In contrast, my current daily driver weighs 3800 pounds, 225hp/300tq which averages real world 13mpg. Daily needs cargo the Abarth would more than satisfy, plus I'll still have the big truck and my little ishbox Protege for other uses.

All those specs doesn't win me over. enjoy your little rinky dinky tug boat.

In a couple of years, Fiat will be on its last legs in this country... again.

I'm sorry. A 160hp 1.6 miata doesn't win me over either, but it's still fun to drive amirite?

Quicker than a shitty honda civic, looks better than a shitty honda civic, and gets great mileage. That's basically what I'm interested in for a daily driver. Plus there's a fair amount of aftermarket available.

Plus I'm banking on them not being very popular and getting a brand new one loaded for under $20k, similar to my Mazdaspeed6 which was purchased at more than 10k under sticker.

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Still have the speed6? If not, why?

We have a '06 Mazda 6s with the 3.0 and its great for her, but I'm still looking for a decent AWD DD and the speed6 is on my list.

watch out for all the disi's motor issues if you choose one - lots of tests need to happen on that car before decision to purchase...

plus they are a bear to work on and the AWD system sux dix

Thanks. Now I can sleep tonight while dreaming of running down the street with four or five of those little things chasing after me.

? May 4 is still two months away.

(But only one more week until pie day. :D)

^I have a Speed6, minor mods. The AWD system is a complete POS. It bumps and clunks all the time trying to figure out where to send power. The clutch is the worst I have ever driven in any vehicle ever. Power is from 3000-5000 and that's it. The stock ECU basically kills all power above 5500.

Inside it's just like a stock Mazda6, which is to say pretty darn good. I love the Mazda interior schemes of the last few generations of cars. Bose stereo is good for a stock unit, and my leather seats are pretty comfy.

Aftermarket is decent but not exactly cheap. Mazda6club and Mazdas24/7 classifieds are ALWAYS full of used MS6 goodies. An intake/intercooler/axleback is good for about 50whp and an equal amount of torque. Accessport is the easiest way to tune, but there are a couple actual piggybacks that people have been working on for years.

The engine itself is actually very robust. Guys who have blown them were really trying to either explore the limits or violated the basic rules or tuning. Transmission is generally regarded as indestructable. There are quite a few issues with various parts of the drivetrain/differential being fragile. If you do a little homework, you'll discover dif-mounts and engine mounts being issues.

There is ZERO argument on the planet to purchase an MS6 over a Subaru Legacy. The Legacy has a better drivetrain, cheaper to mod, faster, more bulletproof, sounds like racecar, more stealth, and roomier inside plus bigger trunk. You might argue that the MS6 is better looking, or that Subie's are played-out... but you would have to justify buying an inferior vehicle in the MS6 as well.

Additionally, I will point out that mine has been absolutely flawless. I am not gentle when I drive it... I kinda hate-drive when I'm in the thing... you know, like seriously going to town on a really fat chick. You have the confidence that you can't hurt her, so you really give her all you got, and not in a nice way.

Someday if I've got an extra $500 to blow on it, I'll probably invest in a used Accessport and Cobb SRI intake for the extra ponies, and to get back the lost power above 5500... but for now, I've learned to look past how bad the drivetrain is. Besides, it's my wifes car.

Oh yeah, don't buy one.

What is the relevance to May 4th? I just saw Star Wars posters and thought maybe I should wear my star wars tie today.



I mean Sam, the speed6 is a FWD that can just happen to send 50% of the power to the rear wheels if it senses slip, its not a performance awd. Haven't driven the clutch, but that interior is nice. The thing has pretty impressive numbers on paper.

No, I don't know, but I'll take your word for it.

That's my birfday and I think Joe was insinuating he was going to bake me a star wars cake for my 28th. :)

May the 4'th be with you.

Thanks Sam! :bigtu: I knew you had one so I was hoping you'd chime in. I still have my eyes open for the right LGT, but trying to find a decently priced GT Limited that's not in Oregon is ------- near impossible.

I do like the interior of the 6 and the exterior is just enough for me. Overall looks good, but the speed6 looks slightly better. That's sad to hear they're not a fun drive and have multiple issues.

When you say hate drive I know what you mean. I REALLY used to hate drive the taurus. I swear to god if I could get it to a cliff, it'd be going off it. Alas, I'm going to part it out and see if I can make back $1500 or so.

If there's anything about subies I DONT like, its the crowd. Not to say all subaru drivers act like race god behind the wheel. I do like the legacy though. A lot.

It's as if a Monster flat-brimmed DC Shoes baseball hat comes free with purchase.

So it's gay Star Wars day?

Lando and Han go wayyyyyyy back

I know it's not a Dumb ForTwo, but it's very similar in my opinion, so I just wanted to throw this out there:

More than half of people who purchased the Smart ForTwo said they would not buy one again.

Considering the fact that the ForTwo is an extremely niche market car, that's a bad thing. I hope the Fiat doesn't have the percieved shortcomings as the ForTwo. Are there any notable long-term reviews on the Fiat 500s yet?

lawlz.

I think there were reports of penises inverting...

To be quite honest with you, the Speed6 as designed worked. I had one issue with 2nd gear in my car which the dealer resolved promptly without any issue. Believe mine was manufactured in Aug 2005 and supposedly had a known possible problem with the 2nd gearset. Only modifications I made to my car were a resonated mufflerless catback exhaust, Injen CAI, replaced the POS bypass valve with a greddy, headlight upgrade, some misc LED lights, and a Kicker 12 in the trunk. The two times I had to drive the car in snow it performed flawlessly. I had the Grand Touring and personally thought the interior was great. Stereo sounded awesome, bought an auxmod/ipod interface, was roomy, plenty of trunk space. The clutch wasn't nearly the issue everyone cried about if you'd man up and use your leg muscles -- It wasn't the worst clutched vehicle I've driven by a long shot.

Overall performance of the car wasn't spectacular but wasn't a turd either. The braking and handling were excellent if you had a set of quality tires. Do I regret buying the car? Absolutely not. Do I regret selling it? Absolutely. Are there better cars for the money Mazda wanted? Sure, just not at the price I paid. Sticker was about $34k on my model and I signed mine at roughly $21k. Considering I don't beat on my cars or otherwise abuse them, it worked out very well in the end. As Sam pointed out, the aftermarket is somewhat limited and very expensive.


Why did I sell it? At the time I had 5 cars and honestly never drove it, decided that money would be better spent on my house instead of a car. Bought in 2006, sold in 2010 after putting 31k miles on it. Was sold to a guy in Florida for my asking price which was 10k more than I owed.


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I lost the video of my WOT driveby, but it actually sounded awesome IMO. Wasn't too loud either.

Cold start audio clip:




I haven't found many terrible reviews on the 500 yet, but I'm interested to hear what actual owners of the Abarth think. They're supposed to show up in dealers sometime mid march, but I don't plan on buying anything for at least a couple years.

I've decided against a subaru, because they are for hippies with dogs.

I'm going with the new speed3 over the speed6. for the price and performance it's such more more bang for the buck.

I kind of figured as much.

What really knocked me over was the fact that about a year after his wife bought a Smart, my neighbor, a retired Marine colonel, bought a second one for himself.

While I haven't checked it out personally, I suspect that Col. Wright's penis has not inverted.

I'm not trying to be a douche, but do you have a Miata?

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I realize this isn't a speed6 debate thread but I wanted to toss in a few comments -
I had a speed3 for the better part of almost 4 years - I mildly modded it and returned it to stock before finally selling it. Obviously I can't speak to the ms6 drivetrain but I can say there are definitely a few reliability issues out there with the disi engine/turbo system even for someone that keeps the car stock.
Here are a few -

1. The pcv system is terrible - There has been a tsb on it and a redesigned valve cover (baffling), inlet, and connection point were all released in order to correct some of it. It does not properly circulate crankcase pressures and will leave you with lots of oil making it's way into the combustion chamber via the intake manifold if you do not catch and correct the issues. Pulling the intake manifold can display the effects of this on a used car.
2. The k04's CHRA was redesigned about half way through the life of the gen1 speed 3. All the speed 6's had the old turbo. It was also redesigned with the hopes of better oil circulation because the pcv issues I mentioned already cause the oil to not drain out of it properly - So instead it gets forced past the seals into the exhaust and smokes out the tail pipe. A very large number of totally stock cars had this issue and turbos and pcv systems replaced under warranty. Lots of people don't catch it though because the car has 2 cats (stock) and you really have to let it sit and idle a long time for enough oil to accumulate and smoke. CX7s have the same issue. An after market downpipe exacerbates the problem on any of the speed cars.
3. There have been several issues with the vvt actuator. There has also been an extended warranty released to replace the actuator and several of the surrounding components up to 70k miles.

My car's engine was replaced by Mazda under warranty at around 53k miles. It dropped 40lbs+ compression in cyl #4 and was burning about a quart and a half of oil a day. I went through a month and a half long battle to get it taken care of. At the time my only mods were an intake, a bov, a downpipe, and a cbe. Needless to say I'd do a compression test on any speed car before buying.
Here's the whole story:
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...erience-47657/

Too. Many. F*cking. WORDS!

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My Gf posted this on facebook and said "Dumb bitch, you can't play zelda on x360"

On Ele's behalf.

Form is ----. The big dude is the only guy pushing ok form but even his arms flared out halfway up.

WTB YT Tags on the quick reply :D

wait for it... watch the whole video. this is in reference to the gaming stuff above.

I don't get it? What difference does my ownership of a miata make?

Yes, I do. It has wagon wheels and no motor.

Just curious, thats all.

Uhm, okay. I've owned about 40 different cars in the last 15 years. Typically only keep one a couple three years and sell it, have 4 - 5 at any given time.

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About 24 hours after that picture was taken the motor blew up.

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First motor I've ever had actually come apart catastrophically like this. Car has been sitting ever since because I got tired of messing with it. Almost have another motor ready to throw in along with the rest of my turbo garbage. Finally.

That sucks. Good lookin car.

That's what he gets for painting the block red.

You know what happens to the guys in red....

So wait why the fancy oil filter thingy with the hoses?

WHat?

You mean the factory oil cooler?

I like it. Most don't like the wheels but that's okay. Spent a great deal of time, money and energy building this thing to auto-x and track days just to have it die before I could ever use it. Oh well, it was my own fault anyway.

There was actually a method to my madness, and the original build pictures Brain made fun of my "pink" block cause my camera sucked then. I like blocks painted black until you've got an oil leak.

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That's actually a factory "oil cooler."

Actually I really enjoyed building the motor that blew up. Only managed to put on maybe 30k before it flew apart.. That was a real hard 30k though!


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Finished installing the motor on a Thursday afternoon and Saturday morning I left town for Eureka Springs miata week.

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Looks good, but needs moar rollbar.

Think this was the weekend I installed the coilovers.. Fixed the exhaust too. lol

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Good, rolling over without one sucks.

Dude eff that noise. I lol'd but I've never been OC'd. If someone sprayed me with that ---- I'd seriously want to shoot them..

I'm sorry, but ------- :bowrofl:

That dudes crying and screaming is so funny. Not really the fact that he is crying, just the sound of his crying and screaming.

what a fat ass as well...

Lol. Lenard nemoy, William shatter and John doe walk into a bar. John dies.

~the end

If you've never been OC'd be happy. It sucks a$$. There are different levels and for the most part the guys who say it isn't so bad got sprayed with the over the counter crap. OC'd will rock you world at a minimum. That said he ^ still took it like a bitch.

For the guys going to try it. Shower with your eyes closed and down facing later. Not for the raping but that stuff almost never comes of the first rinse. Plus it's fun in open wounds too. Like shaving cuts. Plus side is it cleans your sinuses right the F out.