oh wow...

I likey pyro heavy scout medic
I enjoy playing engineer and demo, not great at them, but im getting better.

^This is something I could end up doing under the Combat Support MOS.

They killed Gordon Freeman!!!!


also this is the greatest TF2 video to EVER EXIST.

Just a little excessive I think. 10 shots point blank? Someone needs to get fired.

A little excessive yes, but so what. Dumb bastard should know better than to do whatever brought the cops out in the first place (robbery?) and then to turn and approach an officer with a crow bar raised like he was ready to swing. One less piece of ---- to worry about walking the streets.

He was smashing the windows of Carls Junior. Cops has tasers and a dog but shot him 10 times instead, he died immediately.

The guy could have been mentally ill, but I guess when they dont know cameras are on them its alright to be judge, jury and executioner of an annoying brown person.

If a schizophrenic man was trying to kill you, would not not fight back b/c he's mentally ill?

What, did they kill him twice or something? I've never understood why people give a flying f*ck about how many times the cops shoot some dirtbag. How many times do you think you would have ---- him? It's not like the cops where thinking "yeah, I'll shoot him 5 times and you shoot him 5 times just to remove whats left of his face, that'll be funny". No, they just acted, like you or I would if a deer jumped into our lane. Nobody needs to be fired.

The guy was standing ------- 15 feet away from him not moving when they decided to unload on him.
This isnt war. The guy obviosuly needed to be stopped but he had done nothing other than damage carls jr. property.

You really mean to say that if you so much as threaten a police officer you deserve to die? Are you ------- kidding me?

Last time I was down in key west there was a Navy guy who got shitfaced drunk and started smashing the windows at a scooter rental shop.
Thats a man who was actively serving in the US armed forces, how do you think the media would react if he had been shot and killed on the spot? what if the police had non-lethal tasers and a police dog but instead decided to shoot the guy in the face?

Thats exactly what happened, except because its some unidentified mexican nobody gives a ----. Just another "shithead" off the streets right? Hes not even really a person because hes from a smelly third world country. He deserved to die because he bowed up at a inbred highschool educated police officer who is holding his gun sideways like a ------- thug.

there have been a few, if not many cases where officers have unloaded rounds upon rounds on innocent men (sean bell and amadou diallo) for some "recent events...while i understand you point, there's no reason to shoot someone more than two-three times, let alone 41-50+

that video is good for lots of reasons. a lot of people have been trying to claim "police brutality" based on youtube/metacafe/googlevideo/etc... videos for a while and some rightfully so. i am normally one who feels disgusted when watching "police brutality" videos, but i don't necessarily disagree with what happened in the video.

tazer did nothing
instead of shooting, the officer could have released the k-9, sure. but in the heat of the moment, i think it's fair to justify the officer's actions.
this isn't as cut and dry as some of the other "police brutality" videos out there.

qft!

That right there is why he got shot multiple times. It wasn't "the tazer had little effect". It had NO effect indicating some powerfull drugs were in his system and with that pick ax looking thing he had he could have easily killed one or two cops before being subdued. I think the cops acted by the book.

Personally, I think cops should go back to carrying batons. Killing this moron was not justice served.

Agreed. You wanna not get shot? Stop acting like a dickwad smashing other peoples stuff while high, and then threatening police officers with deadly force.

I like that idea, but cops progressed from batons to firearms when criminals did. I know that in this case the crim didn't have a gun, but the precedent for cops carrying is there and you get situations where this kind of thing happens. The way I look at it is like this: Crim with ax has a huge advantage over Cop A (who didn't have gun drawn), so to even things up Cop B pulls gun which is huge advantage over Crim but why should we give a criminal a fair chance to take anyone's life?

EDIT: I agree its not fair or just, but I think it comes down to a him or me situation and you gotta pick the lesser of evils.

15 feet is nothing, basically. It's unfortunate if he was mentally ill, but these things happen.

not many years ago, I probably would have agreed with you, for alot of reasons. But the key one I'd like to point out, this aint the 50's anymore. Back then a gun shot had a very good chance of killing you, but medical science has advanced to the point where one or even two gunshots is very survivable.

I dont think they tasered him, that was pepper spray. Also, the drug thing is a myth: quote from the manfactures website. http://www.protectionnation.com/stun...?%3C/strong%3E

"That’s why TASER® devices are so effective, despite the fact that they operate on just 50,000 volts (which is a lot less than most stun guns’ volts). TASER® weapons will help you dominate any attacker, including drug addicts"

There is clearly some disconnect with what reasonable force should mean. Action like this makes the Rodeny king thing look like a school yard scruffle, that guy is DEAD. Why are we so numb to it now?

He didn't have a chance to take anyone's life...he made a gesture and was killed.

At least they could have just shot him with an arrow to the knee.

Maybe he was an illegal immigrant trying to indicate that he was here to play baseball.

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Wtf?! Because ppl shot in legs or peppersprayed usually is in a fighting mood? Some of your cops are as bad as our mobs.

Edit. Apparently they tried spay, well then. Gunshot to foot, at least a warning shot to indicate seriousness. Not execution.

Canting your pistol is legitimate one-handed shooting technique. Not entirely sideways gangsta-style, more like 45 degrees.

First 90 then 45 degrees, seems alot for stability/recoil handling. But that cop seems to do stuff "over the top". Looking out from inside the medical field, there is no way to fix 10 shots to the thorax (or rather, extremely hard even if the shot guy ends up in the trauma room 5 mins after the shots and doesn't have any heart or lung damage).
I thought that your cops should be working with reasonable force and that wasn't reasonable, just disgusting.

Might be report, not sure if i saw it here last week or somewhere else.

I saw that bizarro little electric car again! Was ready and got pics.

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A crowbar is a deadly weapon, preparing to swing a crowbar at someone's head is displaying the intent to use deadly force. To stop a threat intending on using deadly force, you shoot the threat to the ground, exactly what this officer did.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Orly?

I believe the shooting video was clear.

Suspect armed with deadly weapon.
1. Verbal commands given. Subject did not comply.
2. Nonlethal force applied. Had little effect.
3. More verbal commands given. Subject did not comply.
4. Suspect makes threatening move toward officer with deadly weapon.
5. Suspect threat is neutralized.

Deadly force is generally authorized to be used if an individual is threatening, and is close enough to use, any device that if implemented could render the officer dead, incapacitated, or unable to defend himself against further harm. I think the battle axe, or whatever it was would certainly qualify. This was a legally and procedurally justified kill. And depending upon the motions of the perpetrator when out of sight of the camera (sticking his hand in his jacket, or continuing to wield the axe perhaps) the officer was justified in continuing until there was no perception threat remaining.

Why so many shots you ask? In each volley it is standard procedure to fire several rounds. If someone needs shooting, you are expected to apply ample shots to neutralize them, in case some are "in-and-out" of soft tissue or just "wing him" or miss entirely. They are taught that under stress you will likely not hit center mass with 50% or your shots so you apply several. If someone needs shooting, they need to be shot thoroughly. The biggest mistake you can make in shooting someone is not neutralizing them as a threat and allowing them to return harm. You cannot shoot someone too much but you can certainly not shoot them enough and receive harm in return. This is how officers are trained and certainly is not errant behavior on their part.

If he had dropped the axe when first instructed I'm certain he would have been referred to as "the defendant" shortly thereafter instead of "the deceased."

And no matter what your assessment of the ending of the situation might be, the terrified employees of Carl's Jr. might have 99 problems next week but that guy coming back in with an axe and threatening their lives ain't one.

The attempt to solve a problem by the means of physical force, in this case death, is what a civilized society is established to prevent...I'm all for the use of retaliatory force, but we are too quick to pull the trigger...ten times, from 10 feet away.

I don't like to see people diez.

10 feet is NOTHING.



Why, oh why, is this the only video demonstrating the 21 foot rule?

Looks like a squashed AMC Pacer.

this thread sucks. i'm bored. tl;dr and all that. i'm about to clean and ban up in here.

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1% living :giggle:

I was just thinking the same thing. Too much political tall, not enough random pictures.

So, in the spirit of whatever the hell everyone was arguing about above, may I preset the winner of the 2011 Saxxy Awards, in the category of "Biggest Massacre"




Just occurred to me how amusing it would be to put together a PLR team consisting entirely of engineers (and one scout), ringing the periphery of enemy spawn with sentries, and then just let the scout walk the payload through the map at a leisurely pace.

But I like to spy!

You like to dress up as a spy.

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edit: found a better one

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1327429834

I stopped playing just as they started adding acheivements...I wonder what goodies I could earn if I started up again.

It was definitely a taser. You can see him shoot out the cables and then the guy calmly reach up and pull them out of his face and see them go limp towards the ground.

Why, you could earn a hat!

Many hats, in fact.

Watch the video again, he was swinging the ax at the cop, they didn't blow him away because he broke a window. Also, they tried to pepper spray him, which didn't work The Sailor didn't swing an ax at anybody I presume? Plus he is, or was, a member of the military therefor he gets more of the benefit of the doubt that he isn't a sh!t-head.
Also, they teach you to hold the gun at an angle if your shooting w/ one hand, helps you keep it steady.

He was literally swinging an ax at the cop. He was metaphorically attempting to piss on the cops cheese in a potentially lethal manner.
Sharp objects (sharp axes, pick axes, sharp knives) can penetrate a bulletproof vest btw.

no axe was swung. he sort of hopped towards the officier.

At least the guys video taping it got a kick out of it.

He was winding up like Babe Ruth. The cop in his sights almost fell over he was so scared. Also, the guys videoing obviously have little respect for life. They just acted like it was an action movie for entertainment.

I love this vid. It makes me laugh when people are starting fights in the middle of the intersection while being extremely intoxicated and then expect to NOT be treated like animals. Not to mention the obvious that they were driving drunk before hand.

Everyone screaming, "they ain't doin' nuttin'!" Yeah, attacking people in the middle of the street is nothing. AND THEN my favorite, "You can't do that, she's a female!!!" Equal rights, equal treatment, bitch!

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That's what it comes down to, if you don't want to be treated like an animal, then don't act like one.

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I'm sorry, but that video is said, on all parties.

I'm with Brainy on this. You guys sillllllly.

Yes, Brainy. Come play TF2! Come plaaaaaay TF222222!

Do you men sad? I agree. The cops were out of line and so were the obvious drunks.

EDIT: That video is from St. Patrick's day last year in downtown Savannah. My friends were there and they sent their perspective cellphone footage right after it happened.

The cop who slammed the girl on her face got a slap on the wrist. The people arrested got in a sh!t ton of trouble.

Do yo mean mean?

i'm about to drop a bomb in here.

lol! obviously atheists aren't blessed with typing skills. Checkmate!

that's because police have the legal authority to ---- your face.

so violent. the ends doesnt jusify the means, Kant.

Speaking of animals. NSFW language.