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Braineack 07-07-2011 05:23 PM

yeah that one. not talking about a curved trajectory.

fooger03 07-07-2011 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 746347)
It wouldn't be curving the bullet path, it would be swinging the gun fast enough that the can is moved into the (straight) path of the bullet before the bullet clears the end of the can.



EDIT: Before I get challenged for saying the bullet travels in a straight path, I do understand ballistics. I'm treating it as a straight path since we're talking about distances of 6"-8" from the end of the muzzle.

If you could acccelerate (not move) the barrel of the gun fast enough while simultaneously shooting the bullet, then yes, it becomes completely possible to hit the silencer. Considering that normal handgun recoil isn't fast enough of an acceleration to actually hit it, I would say you'd have to be accelerating the end of the barrel pretty darn fast. I'm not going to pretend to know just how fast, but given the likelihood that the silencer is aluminum, the thin threaded section of the silencer might not be able to handle the force of the acceleration required to actually cause a barrel strike.

elesjuan 07-07-2011 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 746347)
It wouldn't be curving the bullet path, it would be swinging the gun fast enough that the can is moved into the (straight) path of the bullet before the bullet clears the end of the can.

I understand the difference and still protest that I do not believe it physically possible for this to occur in the hands of a person. Just my opinion.

Joe Perez 07-07-2011 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 746353)
If you could acccelerate (not move) the barrel of the gun fast enough while simultaneously shooting the bullet,

Bear in mind that swinging a pistol in an arc around a fixed point (the shooter) means that it is always going to be subjected to acceleration so long as it is moving- it's just not accelerating in a straight line.

And yeah, this is purely academic- like arguing that if you stand still long enough you will be crushed to death by tectonic plate movement as the continent changes shape around you.

pusha 07-07-2011 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 746356)
And yeah, this is purely academic- like arguing that if you stand still long enough you will be crushed to death by tectonic plate movement as the continent changes shape around you.

That shit happens, my cousin Ray Ray...

mgeoffriau 07-07-2011 05:43 PM

Let's assume we're using subsonic ammo (since we're shooting it through a suppressor, we're trying to be as quiet as possible, right?) that has a muzzle velocity of roughly 1,000 ft/s.

Let's also assume the suppressor extends 6 inches from the end of the muzzle.

0.5 ft / 1,000 ft/s = 0.0005 seconds

So, you have 1/2000 of a second to swing the tip of the suppressor far enough into strike the exiting bullet.

Let's be generous and say the internal diameter of the suppressor is 0.30 inches. That leaves a little less than 0.04 inches on either side of perfectly center .22LR bullet (since the bullet is actually .222 in diameter).

So you have 0.0005 seconds to swing the tip of the can 0.04 inches.

0.04 inches is 0.003333333 feet.

0.003333333 feet / 0.0005 seconds = 6.666666 ft/s

So you'll have to move the tip of the can sideways at roughly 6.67 ft/s to risk a baffle strike.

If I got all that right I'll be amazed.

pusha 07-07-2011 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 746364)
Let's assume we're using subsonic ammo (since we're shooting it through a suppressor, we're trying to be as quiet as possible, right?) that has a muzzle velocity of roughly 1,000 ft/s.

Let's also assume the suppressor extends 6 inches from the end of the muzzle.

0.5 ft / 1,000 ft/s = 0.0005 seconds

So, you have 1/2000 of a second to swing the tip of the suppressor far enough into strike the exiting bullet.

Let's be generous and say the internal diameter of the suppressor is 0.30 inches. That leaves a little less than 0.04 inches on either side of perfectly center .22LR bullet (since the bullet is actually .222 in diameter).

So you have 0.0005 seconds to swing the tip of the can 0.04 inches.

0.04 inches is 0.003333333 feet.

0.003333333 feet / 0.0005 seconds = 6.666666 ft/s

So you'll have to move the tip of the can sideways at roughly 6.67 ft/s to risk a baffle strike.

If I got all that right I'll be amazed.

I've posted up outside Scott's windows a few times. Let's just say he has quick wrists.

elesjuan 07-07-2011 06:26 PM

Don't forget, since the tip of the suppressor is extended (huhuhuhuhu) away from your wrist, it will accelerate quicker than your wrist..

lol. Thats a stretch. Love the math!

soviet 07-07-2011 06:31 PM

The only thing is, you have to start swinging after the bullet left the barrel but before it exited the suppressor. which is a window of 0.0005 seconds.

good luck superman.

pusha 07-07-2011 06:35 PM

Goddamn shame they're wasting all this fab work and engineering on a drift car:

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...mike1/mm01.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...mike1/mm24.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...mike1/mm05.jpg

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...ered-pt-1.aspx

pusha 07-07-2011 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 746389)
The only thing is, you have to start swinging after the bullet left the barrel but before it exited the suppressor. which is a window of 0.0005 seconds.

good luck superman.

A challenger has emerged:

http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-co...funny_crab.jpg

gearhead_318 07-07-2011 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by pusha (Post 746391)
Goddamn shame they're wasting all this fab work and engineering on a drift car:

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...mike1/mm01.jpg

I wonder why they went with such a big heavy wheel and what looks like low profile tires on a drift car.

Oscar 07-07-2011 06:49 PM

because drift car?

Joe Perez 07-07-2011 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 746398)
because drift car?

(twitch)

mgeoffriau 07-07-2011 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 746389)
The only thing is, you have to start swinging after the bullet left the barrel but before it exited the suppressor. which is a window of 0.0005 seconds.

good luck superman.

Why? We know that the path of the bullet doesn't "curve" just because you are swinging the pistol. The bullet will exit the barrel and continue in a straight path; if the pistol is being swung fast enough, the inner surface of the suppressor can be swung into the path of the bullet.

Think of a more extreme example -- say we had a 10 foot long suppressor attached to the muzzle. Do you see how swinging the pistol and firing would easily lead to a baffle strike? It's the same situation with a 6 inch suppressor, you just have less time before the bullet clears, so the pistol has to be swung proportionally faster.

gearhead_318 07-07-2011 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 746398)
because drift car?

BANNED :loser:

fooger03 07-07-2011 06:56 PM

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Oscar 07-07-2011 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Gearhead_318 (Post 746402)
BANNED :loser:

I think not my friend :fawk:

pusha 07-07-2011 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Oscar (Post 746404)
I think not my friend :fawk:

Silly Eurofag, if you get banned, just e-mail tRick and tell him Google Translate fucked up.

buffon01 07-07-2011 07:03 PM

:hahano: Well well well...


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