Turbo installed. Lasted 4 days. Threw a rod.
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it's also normal for dynapack dynos to read 10-15% lower than the dynojet you probably dynoed on.
hey remember that time i said it's probably boost drop? that was cool.
That is because his turbo is WAYYYYY out of it's efficiency islands even making 8 psi at 6800. If the OP turned the boost down to 5 psi peak, it would make what we consider a "normal" looking graph and peak around 150 WHP on a dynojet.
I think the designation for this turbo would be "T-to small". It looks like a TD03-9b or there about in size.
Keith
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I think the designation for this turbo would be "T-to small". It looks like a TD03-9b or there about in size.
Keith
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Braineack, I really want pictures of his turbo, so we can see if it is really a 2554. I specified that it looks like a TD03 9b because that turbo would only support around 150 WHP on a 1.6. This would explain the boost drop, and the low power. I dynoed a 3000GT on stock 9b turbos (3.0 liter with twin 9b's) on a dynapack dyno and had the same boost drop with a MBC sourced on the intake manifold.
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Oh I see what you're getting at. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean it took us 4+ pages to get basic info from OP, it will be another 20 before we actually have his turbo's specs.
By the time we get all the information about this car/build/setup, ND's will be stanced clubricer rust buckets and we will be waiting for the NZ unveiling.
By the time we get all the information about this car/build/setup, ND's will be stanced clubricer rust buckets and we will be waiting for the NZ unveiling.
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Holly ****!
Looking at the results, everyone was thinking it was a 1.6 even though you probably already said it was a 1.8
Now I am even more convinced he has a tiny turbo smaller than a 2554... or the blades are bent to ****.
Keith
Looking at the results, everyone was thinking it was a 1.6 even though you probably already said it was a 1.8
Now I am even more convinced he has a tiny turbo smaller than a 2554... or the blades are bent to ****.
Keith
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i see this is a quite old thread,but did it ever been solved? I got into similar situation with a turbo 1.6. Car ran great,put put 235 to the crank,TQ was kept below 300Nm (~ 1 bar peak boost). Car ran fine,but after the owner took it home and made "some launch control sessions for the pals",ticking noise was coming from engine. After dissasembly,the rods were bent,they needed to be replaced.
I am not as experienced as the tuner of the car in this post,but i tuned lots of cars from NA to supercharded/turboed cars,low power to 600+. I had never have any issues with launch control on any cars,except this 1.6 miata.
After this car,i tell every miata owner to be cautious on the launch control.
So,i am after a logical solution,what happened,how could be the rods overstessed by launch control,whereas other cars does not have issues like this.I personally had the feeling, internet rumours about stock rod safe limit was not correct and the rods simply could not handle more than the double TQ they were designed for,but after reading this post,i feel we just fell into the same situation as Horton did.
i see this is a quite old thread,but did it ever been solved? I got into similar situation with a turbo 1.6. Car ran great,put put 235 to the crank,TQ was kept below 300Nm (~ 1 bar peak boost). Car ran fine,but after the owner took it home and made "some launch control sessions for the pals",ticking noise was coming from engine. After dissasembly,the rods were bent,they needed to be replaced.
I am not as experienced as the tuner of the car in this post,but i tuned lots of cars from NA to supercharded/turboed cars,low power to 600+. I had never have any issues with launch control on any cars,except this 1.6 miata.
After this car,i tell every miata owner to be cautious on the launch control.
So,i am after a logical solution,what happened,how could be the rods overstessed by launch control,whereas other cars does not have issues like this.I personally had the feeling, internet rumours about stock rod safe limit was not correct and the rods simply could not handle more than the double TQ they were designed for,but after reading this post,i feel we just fell into the same situation as Horton did.
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In my case,overboost protections was set to 1.1 bar,so it is unlikely. Yesterday i did some search,found similar case on a supra where 5 rods were bent from launch control. My bet is,its not the launch control which is the issue,but the hard launch. I mean engine is at full boost,and when the clutch is released,the power is instantly jumping up,but it needs to move the car,so the rods are momentarily overstressed.
Also found some VAG 1.8T cases,where the rods were bent due to launch control. I know these rods are weak anyway and can bend with any more torque than 350-400Nm. I also had one of these engines and i bent the rods with mid size turbo and big torque low down. I was running E85,so definiately no knock occured.
Also found some VAG 1.8T cases,where the rods were bent due to launch control. I know these rods are weak anyway and can bend with any more torque than 350-400Nm. I also had one of these engines and i bent the rods with mid size turbo and big torque low down. I was running E85,so definiately no knock occured.
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I would not say Launch Control per se, but possibly implementation. Since you mention full boost at clutch release, are we talking about extreme retarded anti-lag type settings? Then you're getting everything hot, so detonation can become an issue.
From an article about setting up all the pops and bangs type Launch Control:
"Now before I scare you too much, let me say that like all things, this only happens if it is abused. Be sure to not stay on the 2step limiter too much. I suggest to people to never be on the 2step longer than two seconds. This way the exhaust pressures and temperature never build up for too long. As long as 2step is set up properly and not abused you will be fine. The times where I hear of it becoming a problem, is with owners that think all the loud popping and backfiring is so cool, that they do it all the time for long periods of time, and then are all confused why the motor blew."
Just a thought. DNM
From an article about setting up all the pops and bangs type Launch Control:
"Now before I scare you too much, let me say that like all things, this only happens if it is abused. Be sure to not stay on the 2step limiter too much. I suggest to people to never be on the 2step longer than two seconds. This way the exhaust pressures and temperature never build up for too long. As long as 2step is set up properly and not abused you will be fine. The times where I hear of it becoming a problem, is with owners that think all the loud popping and backfiring is so cool, that they do it all the time for long periods of time, and then are all confused why the motor blew."
Just a thought. DNM
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