View Poll Results: When will it it blow?
Next time you drive it/any minute now!
5
20.00%
First track day
1
4.00%
In another 5,000 miles
5
20.00%
More than 20,000 miles
9
36.00%
Forever as long as you learn how to shift!
5
20.00%
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So how long will my stock NC motor last
#1
So how long will my stock NC motor last
Maybe we should do an official pool to see
as some of you saw in the dyno day thread it put out 283 whp on my "conservative" tune with peak timing of like 13 degrees at 7k.
Since then I dropped it down two more degrees and added a bit more fuel without any noticeable loss in power (11-11.5 AFR), and put in two baffles in the muffler to slow down the boost creep (jumped to 14 psi at 20 degrees last week!).
Currently running 8psi to 4k, 10 psi 4-7k rpm. Peak torque is ~230 or so vs 140 stock.
For those who don't know the 06-08 NC motor has 10.8:1 compression, all cast internals. Motor was overrevved at least twice at the track with a 4 to 2 money shift last year prior to boost. (hit the same damn bump at the etown straight right at the 3-4 shift point!) Compression numbers were 210 dead even on all 4 just prior to turbo.
It's my second car so I only drive it to beat the crap out of it...in other words, if it was human it would be tiger woods. It has a few auto-x events on it, some 'local' drifting, and will see a track day or two again next year, some official drift events, and maybe hill climbs. About 41k on the car, 4k with boost.
At this point I'm torn--do I build the motor before it blows or let it die a natural death? I know honda guys run their hi comp cast motors to 10+ psi with few issues when actually tuned, with the duratec focus/mz3 crowd usually blowing trannys first, but they supposedly only go to 260 hp or so.
I'm thinking to just ride it till it blows since they are so damn common and cheap. Then I can just pick up a low mileage block and get forged internals and not have to worry about boring and honing. Poll only goes to 20k because that would take two years for me to do if not more and by then I'll definitely be building it.
This is the car...
as some of you saw in the dyno day thread it put out 283 whp on my "conservative" tune with peak timing of like 13 degrees at 7k.
Since then I dropped it down two more degrees and added a bit more fuel without any noticeable loss in power (11-11.5 AFR), and put in two baffles in the muffler to slow down the boost creep (jumped to 14 psi at 20 degrees last week!).
Currently running 8psi to 4k, 10 psi 4-7k rpm. Peak torque is ~230 or so vs 140 stock.
For those who don't know the 06-08 NC motor has 10.8:1 compression, all cast internals. Motor was overrevved at least twice at the track with a 4 to 2 money shift last year prior to boost. (hit the same damn bump at the etown straight right at the 3-4 shift point!) Compression numbers were 210 dead even on all 4 just prior to turbo.
It's my second car so I only drive it to beat the crap out of it...in other words, if it was human it would be tiger woods. It has a few auto-x events on it, some 'local' drifting, and will see a track day or two again next year, some official drift events, and maybe hill climbs. About 41k on the car, 4k with boost.
At this point I'm torn--do I build the motor before it blows or let it die a natural death? I know honda guys run their hi comp cast motors to 10+ psi with few issues when actually tuned, with the duratec focus/mz3 crowd usually blowing trannys first, but they supposedly only go to 260 hp or so.
I'm thinking to just ride it till it blows since they are so damn common and cheap. Then I can just pick up a low mileage block and get forged internals and not have to worry about boring and honing. Poll only goes to 20k because that would take two years for me to do if not more and by then I'll definitely be building it.
This is the car...
#5
Brian's has seen track duty from what he says but I'm not sure how much total driving he's done with it since its trailered and certainly not cali-legal. His dyno showed 260 or so IRC...
2.3 swap--it would be easy as they bolt right up. It's a more common block too as ford used it in every 4 cylinder from 2005 up. 2.5 from the current gen of duratecs might work also but I'm not sure.
saml01--thanks still learning premiere its a bear I need a 1080p cam instead of my canon point and shoot
2.3 swap--it would be easy as they bolt right up. It's a more common block too as ford used it in every 4 cylinder from 2005 up. 2.5 from the current gen of duratecs might work also but I'm not sure.
saml01--thanks still learning premiere its a bear I need a 1080p cam instead of my canon point and shoot
#10
Originally Posted by Doppelgänger
I suspect the MS cars aren't running good tunes because the ECUs are teh suckage.
Is the 2.3disi short block the same as the normal 2.3?
Is the 2.3disi short block the same as the normal 2.3?
I don't know what goes on with their tunes but on the NC I can dial in whatever timing I need and fuel so I'm not too concerned there. I suppose with bigger than 550's and more than 15 psi there might be issues since the resolution is only like 13 rows and load based vs. map but so far its fine no knock.
#14
No idea how or why but that's a fireball from between the turbo and manifold. Really odd as I was taping that I thought "**** was that a flash in the corner of my eye" and then I saw it on the video.
It's weird because the turbo is on there tight, I used an SS gasket and if you put your hand there you don't feel any exhaust leak. There was also no knock or anything weird on the logs for that run either. No soot on the block or that general area. Maybe just from running rich while spooling up until all the air gets flowing at full boost?
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Build your motor now, because when it throws a rod through the side of the case and bends a few valves, you'll have to shell out for a new shortblock.
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The walls have to be honed with a certain grit stone according to what type of rings you have. IMO, if whoever is honing your block doesn't ask for your rings or at least what material they're made out of, you need a new machinist.