Should I just give up and start over?
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I wouldn't recommend SOTH's power as something for a newb to emulate on a stock motor. He had it last as long as he did because he knows how to tune. He was probably in the 280 range with his trap speed.
I know that my motor would have blown a long time ago if I had tried that...
225 is a healthy goal though.
The worst thing about having a turbo kit for a 1.6 is that you'll have to replace it with another 1.6 if/when you blow it. Or you'll need an entirely new setup as well.
I know that my motor would have blown a long time ago if I had tried that...
225 is a healthy goal though.
The worst thing about having a turbo kit for a 1.6 is that you'll have to replace it with another 1.6 if/when you blow it. Or you'll need an entirely new setup as well.
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Ha. Well, it WAS stock, til it popped. Definitely was well past the sell by date on that one.
I agree with Lars on the clutch stuff. In a stock turbo MSM we'll be fine but a 1.8 clutch would be a safer bet. Same deal though, can go with an eBay flywheel if you want something lighter than stock. We'll see how it balances out...
I agree with Lars on the clutch stuff. In a stock turbo MSM we'll be fine but a 1.8 clutch would be a safer bet. Same deal though, can go with an eBay flywheel if you want something lighter than stock. We'll see how it balances out...
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Well there's a big difference between street reliable and track reliable. If it is a street car only then I think you can get by with the 1.6L route (flame-suit on).
200-225 WHP can be achieved with:
-Your choice of log manifold + DP
-Megasquirt 3
-Intercooler
-GT2554R or GT2560R
-E85
-FF640CC Injectors
-Used 1.8L Open or Torsen Diff
-Clutch
-Radiator
Not having to be track prepped really opens up your options and that's what I think makes it viable.
200-225 WHP can be achieved with:
-Your choice of log manifold + DP
-Megasquirt 3
-Intercooler
-GT2554R or GT2560R
-E85
-FF640CC Injectors
-Used 1.8L Open or Torsen Diff
-Clutch
-Radiator
Not having to be track prepped really opens up your options and that's what I think makes it viable.
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Well there's a big difference between street reliable and track reliable. If it is a street car only then I think you can get by with the 1.6L route (flame-suit on).
200-225 WHP can be achieved with:
-Your choice of log manifold + DP
-Megasquirt 3
-Intercooler
-GT2554R or GT2560R
-E85
-FF640CC Injectors
-Used 1.8L Open or Torsen Diff
-Clutch
-Radiator
Not having to be track prepped really opens up your options and that's what I think makes it viable.
200-225 WHP can be achieved with:
-Your choice of log manifold + DP
-Megasquirt 3
-Intercooler
-GT2554R or GT2560R
-E85
-FF640CC Injectors
-Used 1.8L Open or Torsen Diff
-Clutch
-Radiator
Not having to be track prepped really opens up your options and that's what I think makes it viable.
You also don't need E85 for that power level, but I'm sure it helps everything along.
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Why would 1.6 vs 1.8 make a different for track? It'll still cost about the same to get either of them to that power level reliably. The power delivery will be better for the 1.8, but I'd think that might matter a bit less on a track car that's mostly going to be in the higher revs.
You also don't need E85 for that power level, but I'm sure it helps everything along.
You also don't need E85 for that power level, but I'm sure it helps everything along.
What's $1,000 on top of a $8,000 track build? Not much.
What's $1,000 on top of a $3,000 street build? Quite a bit more.
Also I suppose you could make the argument that a 1.8L VVT @ 200 whp will be running less boost than a 1.6L @ 200 whp and therefore it's stressing the turbo less and less heat etc. But that's splitting hairs.
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Well there's a big difference between street reliable and track reliable. If it is a street car only then I think you can get by with the 1.6L route (flame-suit on).
200-225 WHP can be achieved with:
-Your choice of log manifold + DP
-Megasquirt 3
-Intercooler
-GT2554R or GT2560R
-E85
-FF640CC Injectors
-Used 1.8L Open or Torsen Diff
-Clutch
-Radiator
Not having to be track prepped really opens up your options and that's what I think makes it viable.
200-225 WHP can be achieved with:
-Your choice of log manifold + DP
-Megasquirt 3
-Intercooler
-GT2554R or GT2560R
-E85
-FF640CC Injectors
-Used 1.8L Open or Torsen Diff
-Clutch
-Radiator
Not having to be track prepped really opens up your options and that's what I think makes it viable.
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Why would 1.6 vs 1.8 make a different for track? It'll still cost about the same to get either of them to that power level reliably. The power delivery will be better for the 1.8, but I'd think that might matter a bit less on a track car that's mostly going to be in the higher revs.
You also don't need E85 for that power level, but I'm sure it helps everything along.
You also don't need E85 for that power level, but I'm sure it helps everything along.
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Gearing and turbo choice play a part too. My car with 3.6 gears and a 2871R at 8 psi is less fun than Aidan's old 1.6 with a TD04 and 3.9s at 10-12 psi. Roughly the same WHP, but his car spooled quicker and pulled out of slower corners harder. At ORP he was down at like 6 psi and I was at 8, but he came out of the corners just as hard.
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This is the other part of the reason I am playing with superchargers. The JRSC kit can be easily put from a 1.6 on a 1.8 (which is happening far sooner than I would have thought!). But I am holding off on buying a turbo mani until I for sure have a 1.8 to put in. I want to buy one, nice, cast one and call it done. (the other reason for the superchargers is that I got them cheap, but in repairable condition and once fixed, just one kit will cover the cost of my 1.8 swap, and the other should cover the mani, downpipe and turbo.)
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Gearing and turbo choice play a part too. My car with 3.6 gears and a 2871R at 8 psi is less fun than Aidan's old 1.6 with a TD04 and 3.9s at 10-12 psi. Roughly the same WHP, but his car spooled quicker and pulled out of slower corners harder. At ORP he was down at like 6 psi and I was at 8, but he came out of the corners just as hard.
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The only real silver lining for the 1.6 is that people, literally, throw away baller turbo parts and built engines for dirt cheap because of the stigma created by this board that the 1.6 is almost unusable as an engine. The absurd deals I've gotten on parts is almost unfair.