oil cooler time
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oil cooler time
I think I should get one since I'm tracking the 1.6 currently, then I can use it with the turbo build.
I will get the FM thermostat'd sammitch plate.
Questions:
Is the more expensive "bar and plate" design better than "tube and fin?"
Is it really worth the extra $100 =/- for braided lines and AN fittings?
Can I swap out the AN fittings on the FM sammitch plate for barbed fittings?
Where is the best spot to mount, considering I'll have an intercooler soon?
Should I get a fan for the cooler?
Do you really want to hurt me?
Do you really want to make me cry?
Thanks.
I will get the FM thermostat'd sammitch plate.
Questions:
Is the more expensive "bar and plate" design better than "tube and fin?"
Is it really worth the extra $100 =/- for braided lines and AN fittings?
Can I swap out the AN fittings on the FM sammitch plate for barbed fittings?
Where is the best spot to mount, considering I'll have an intercooler soon?
Should I get a fan for the cooler?
Do you really want to hurt me?
Do you really want to make me cry?
Thanks.
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some of the **** i'm considering:
http://www.shop.com/op/~FAN_COOLED_O...-prod-26776678
http://www.shop.com/op/~TEMP_A_CURE_...-prod-24825215
http://www.shop.com/op/~TRANSMISSION...-prod-24836093
http://www.shop.com/op/~ULTRA_THIN_T...-prod-24839005
Any decent salvage yard vehicles to check out, aside from diesel trucks?
http://www.shop.com/op/~FAN_COOLED_O...-prod-26776678
http://www.shop.com/op/~TEMP_A_CURE_...-prod-24825215
http://www.shop.com/op/~TRANSMISSION...-prod-24836093
http://www.shop.com/op/~ULTRA_THIN_T...-prod-24839005
Any decent salvage yard vehicles to check out, aside from diesel trucks?
#3
I'm running a a sandwich plate w/tstat I got on ebay for $40, using some npt-to-AN adapters and custom made SS hose purchased on ebay for $60. I picked up the cooler from racerparts wholesale - http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/cooler1.htm - but since then I've seen better deals on eBay.
IMO using the 1.8s liquid cooler is a very cheap way to go, just pull the longer threaded mount from the 1.8 block and the cooler assembly and your golden.
IMO using the 1.8s liquid cooler is a very cheap way to go, just pull the longer threaded mount from the 1.8 block and the cooler assembly and your golden.
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Is the more expensive "bar and plate" design better than "tube and fin?"
Despite this, the bar & plate design is *very* efficient. I have the smallest one Earl's makes, and it's too much cooling capacity. Went from running 230-240 degrees (at drain plug) on hot days, to barely getting the oil up to 150 on short drives, and never exceeding 180. And this is with an FM sandwich plate / thermostat! (I wonder if I can shim my thermostat...)
Is it really worth the extra $100 =/- for braided lines and AN fittings?
Can I swap out the AN fittings on the FM sammitch plate for barbed fittings?
Where is the best spot to mount, considering I'll have an intercooler soon?
Pictures: http://www.geocities.com/thraddox/oi...2/cooler2.html
Should I get a fan for the cooler?
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I would look for a cooler off of a sportbike or quad. They're small and dirt cheap. Check for people parting bikes out on forums or ebay.
A T-stat is a must; oil that doesn't come to temp is bad.
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A T-stat is a must; oil that doesn't come to temp is bad.
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I'm running a a sandwich plate w/tstat I got on ebay for $40, using some npt-to-AN adapters and custom made SS hose purchased on ebay for $60. I picked up the cooler from racerparts wholesale - http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/cooler1.htm - but since then I've seen better deals on eBay.
IMO using the 1.8s liquid cooler is a very cheap way to go, just pull the longer threaded mount from the 1.8 block and the cooler assembly and your golden.
IMO using the 1.8s liquid cooler is a very cheap way to go, just pull the longer threaded mount from the 1.8 block and the cooler assembly and your golden.
I'd go with an ebay samitch plate / t-stat, but what about it fitting on a 1.6? What is that spacer for?
What hose lengths am I looking for?
Is it dumb to get the big cooler from here, since the car will get track beatings with the impending turbo build?
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The plate has an adapter style threaded pipe that screws on to the 1.6 boss and then sandwiches the plate to the block filter seat. That leaves with a chevy style thread that can receive just about any filter you want. I'm running one from a 79 bonneville that holds 1/2 quart of oil- it's BIG. You need to sort out your positions before you buy the hose. Get your cooler and plate, then use some copper house electrical wire to make your "mock" hose runs.
What kind of temps did you see at the track event? I haven't tracked my car, and it's got a different engine so I can't really comment on your situation.
There's a few guys here doing track events that don't have a cooler at all- but you're in TX and that might change things. Scott is running a 1.6 w/boost and seems to track regularly and has no cooler. Y8s has the OE cooler only (I think) and he tracks. I Joe Perez has a cooler setup similar to what you're looking at- maybe he'll comment.
What kind of temps did you see at the track event? I haven't tracked my car, and it's got a different engine so I can't really comment on your situation.
There's a few guys here doing track events that don't have a cooler at all- but you're in TX and that might change things. Scott is running a 1.6 w/boost and seems to track regularly and has no cooler. Y8s has the OE cooler only (I think) and he tracks. I Joe Perez has a cooler setup similar to what you're looking at- maybe he'll comment.
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The plate has an adapter style threaded pipe that screws on to the 1.6 boss and then sandwiches the plate to the block filter seat. That leaves with a chevy style thread that can receive just about any filter you want. I'm running one from a 79 bonneville that holds 1/2 quart of oil- it's BIG. You need to sort out your positions before you buy the hose. Get your cooler and plate, then use some copper house electrical wire to make your "mock" hose runs.
Why does FM include a "spacer" with the 1.6 sandwich plates?
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I dont run an oil cooler but then again I dont have an oil temp gauge either. I've only had the car out with the turbo once.
people report seeing cooler water temps with an oil cooler so apparently it helps the whole system ...
but have you weighed those ones like rob posted from racerpartswholesale? HEF-TY. if you've got a solid place to mount it (under the headlight in the fender well where it's protected on all sides), stick with the cheapee tube and fin.
I bet that spacer is just for fitment. I haven't seen a 1.6 filter mount.
people report seeing cooler water temps with an oil cooler so apparently it helps the whole system ...
but have you weighed those ones like rob posted from racerpartswholesale? HEF-TY. if you've got a solid place to mount it (under the headlight in the fender well where it's protected on all sides), stick with the cheapee tube and fin.
I bet that spacer is just for fitment. I haven't seen a 1.6 filter mount.
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I think Joe Perez has a cooler setup similar to what you're looking at- maybe he'll comment.
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...Is it dumb to get the big cooler from here, since the car will get track beatings with the impending turbo build?
...maybe he'll comment... on size.
Agree- AN fittings are used on race cars for a reason, the don't leak and manage abuse.
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what about one of those blue ebay oil coolers?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HI-Pe...ayphotohosting
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HI-Pe...ayphotohosting
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what about one of those blue ebay oil coolers?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HI-Pe...ayphotohosting
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HI-Pe...ayphotohosting
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what about one of those blue ebay oil coolers?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HI-Pe...ayphotohosting
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HI-Pe...ayphotohosting
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/cooler1.htm