Driveline noise while in gear decelerating
#1
Driveline noise while in gear decelerating
I took the Miata for an 800 mile round-trip drive to Ohio this past weekend, and something that I have noticed previously made itself more pronounced with the top down and at higher speeds.
When decelerating from a freeway exit, I sometimes shift into a lower gear and engine brake. I noticed that there is a grinding/thrashing sound coming somewhere from the driveline, normally getting louder with less revs. It is much more pronounced in second and third gear than fourth or fifth. Depressing the accelerator pedal ever so slightly makes the noise go away, and it seems to be worse when all parts of the car are up to full operating temperature. There is no noise when the transmission is disengaged.
The same noise is sometimes audible, though not nearly as loud, under slow, low-RPM WOT acceleration in a high gear (the car is a stock 1.6).
Any ideas? Should I start scouting a new tranny or pumpkin? I searched around and didn't find much. A Porsche 951 I had years ago had a similar sound that was cured when I did a clutch job and replaced the pilot and throwout bearings (and snapped fork arm, prompting the repair); however, that was a transaxle and a bit different.
As an aside, is it normal for the car to feel like someone threw an anchor out of the rear when turning on the A/C compressor? I've had a couple of small bore 4 cylinders before that lost their umph with the A/C on, but I literally had to hold WOT for 30 seconds to accelerate from 55 to 60 MPH on flat road with the A/C on. Not that I'm too worried for the long run since I'll be taking care of the power deficit, but just to know.
Thanks!
When decelerating from a freeway exit, I sometimes shift into a lower gear and engine brake. I noticed that there is a grinding/thrashing sound coming somewhere from the driveline, normally getting louder with less revs. It is much more pronounced in second and third gear than fourth or fifth. Depressing the accelerator pedal ever so slightly makes the noise go away, and it seems to be worse when all parts of the car are up to full operating temperature. There is no noise when the transmission is disengaged.
The same noise is sometimes audible, though not nearly as loud, under slow, low-RPM WOT acceleration in a high gear (the car is a stock 1.6).
Any ideas? Should I start scouting a new tranny or pumpkin? I searched around and didn't find much. A Porsche 951 I had years ago had a similar sound that was cured when I did a clutch job and replaced the pilot and throwout bearings (and snapped fork arm, prompting the repair); however, that was a transaxle and a bit different.
As an aside, is it normal for the car to feel like someone threw an anchor out of the rear when turning on the A/C compressor? I've had a couple of small bore 4 cylinders before that lost their umph with the A/C on, but I literally had to hold WOT for 30 seconds to accelerate from 55 to 60 MPH on flat road with the A/C on. Not that I'm too worried for the long run since I'll be taking care of the power deficit, but just to know.
Thanks!
#9
Light flywheel? That causes exactly what you describe. Engine braking in mine makes the trans scream like a rally car with straight cut gears.
Also, trans disengaged as in clutch pressed in, in gear? What does it do at a dead stop in neutral? Anything? But also like stated, could be in the rear end, if it's speed related and not rev related. Still find it unclear, even after a 3 paragraph post. That and it's late.
I assume you are still n/a? I also love the anchor or a/c. If I want to pass at all, I have to turn it off to get enough power, and then it's still slow as ****.
Also, trans disengaged as in clutch pressed in, in gear? What does it do at a dead stop in neutral? Anything? But also like stated, could be in the rear end, if it's speed related and not rev related. Still find it unclear, even after a 3 paragraph post. That and it's late.
I assume you are still n/a? I also love the anchor or a/c. If I want to pass at all, I have to turn it off to get enough power, and then it's still slow as ****.
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Check that thread out, it was a long time ago (3+ years) and I was a bit dumber then, but my problem turned out to be the diff, read through and see if you can read through my incoherent rambling enough to tell if it's a very similar sound.
Check that thread out, it was a long time ago (3+ years) and I was a bit dumber then, but my problem turned out to be the diff, read through and see if you can read through my incoherent rambling enough to tell if it's a very similar sound.
#11
Thanks for all of the input, guys! Today it was crappy out, so I had the top up and was able to better hear where the sound was coming from - it is definitely coming from the rear end. Come to think of it, the previous owner told me I should check the rear end as the only mechanical warning that came with the car. Well, after I recover from paying the US Treasury dept. and comptroller of Maryland $1300 or so in taxes, it looks like I'll be saving up for a torsen swap. Hopefully the diff will hold up until then.
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Thanks for all of the input, guys! Today it was crappy out, so I had the top up and was able to better hear where the sound was coming from - it is definitely coming from the rear end. Come to think of it, the previous owner told me I should check the rear end as the only mechanical warning that came with the car. Well, after I recover from paying the US Treasury dept. and comptroller of Maryland $1300 or so in taxes, it looks like I'll be saving up for a torsen swap. Hopefully the diff will hold up until then.
#17
I have some odd noise as well. Decell in 4th is the worst. Almost sounds like I left some tools in the truck and it's vibrating on the metal back there. It get's pretty loud. I checked and there is nothing loose back there so it must be the driveline.
I do have a Kaaz diff which is loud to begin with, but also solid diff mounts, so that may be the reason right there. I just don't remember it making that much noise for the first 1000 or so miles after the install. :???:
I do have a Kaaz diff which is loud to begin with, but also solid diff mounts, so that may be the reason right there. I just don't remember it making that much noise for the first 1000 or so miles after the install. :???:
#20
I feel like some of these points are invalid, heres my examples I have the same noise on decel had the same noise after changing the open diff to a torsen, then still had the noise after changing to a 1.8 flywheel and clutch, still the same noise then procceded to change tranny fluid guess what... same noise... I would like to know what mine is as well but I'm leaning more to the whole tranny dying part