Bell's New Coolant Reroute: a Review
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If the thermostat is kept in the front of the engine, the rear part of the head/block would tend to run hotter from the lack of flow.
If I get a chance, I will post my reverse-flow/electric pump setup.
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Crayfish, eh... Heard of 'em, never sucked the head off of one.
Still, I thought those things lived in the water? Granted it's been raining a lot lately, but for one to have gotten up on my driveway he'd have had to travel quite some distance from the nearest canal. Do you get these things in your yard?
Still, I thought those things lived in the water? Granted it's been raining a lot lately, but for one to have gotten up on my driveway he'd have had to travel quite some distance from the nearest canal. Do you get these things in your yard?
Someone around you likely had a big feed recently. One or two always seem to escape when you get home and unload your catch. It's likely dead and stinking somewhere now. They'll last a day or two out of water, longer if they find a cool spot. We do 2 or 3 big feeds a year. Here it has to be mid to late summer when the water starts warming up. The tail and claw meat is the best shellfish you'll ever have when they are done fresh.
Thanks for the fantastic write up. I've got my box of goodies just waiting to go in. Your intructions and misfires make this a whole lot easier for me to tackle. I hate to think how much time and effort you've saved me over the last couple years. Let me know where I should mail some of our fine NW microbrews to!
And just in case you hadn't figured it out yet. The spacer is grooved on both sides so you actually have 4 positions the coolant sensor can be rotated to as it's 45'd to the bolt positions, not 90'd.
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This is the way that M-tuned does it. It accomplishes effectively the same thing insofar as maintaining a restriction to ensure a pressure differential within the system, however my concern with that design is that, as Sav said, it puts the thermostat at some remove from the primary flow of hot water and introduces the potential for the operation of the thermostat to lag behind peak temperature somewhat.
This is one reason why I chose Bell's design over M-tuned's, despite the fact that the latter is likely easier to install owing to the shorter stack in the back.
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It's called a joke, dude. I ordered this thing two months ago when they were still hashing out the design.
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So other than one of the bolts being to long and needing to replace it - what else was missing? I think that we will need to do a different part list for the 1.6L version, as the longer bolts fit my NB. And the NB has to lengthen the wires to the coolant sensor. We have found better routing of lines since your stuff was shipped. If you want them, let me know.
The reason for the coolant sensor being off set is so that it will clear the thermostat when installed.
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The reason for the coolant sensor being off set is so that it will clear the thermostat when installed.
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It's called a joke, dude. I ordered this thing two months ago when they were still hashing out the design.
It's called a joke, dude. I ordered this thing two months ago when they were still hashing out the design.
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I bet the longer bolts are the right length for the Begi water neck and that they aren't designed specifically for the Kia water neck. Just guessing.
Good write-up!
Edit: and it looks like Stephanie's picture has the tube routed higher and outside of the intake manifold. That may account for the excess length. Did you read the destructions? Or are you being a re-engineer?
I bet the longer bolts are the right length for the Begi water neck and that they aren't designed specifically for the Kia water neck. Just guessing.
Good write-up!
Edit: and it looks like Stephanie's picture has the tube routed higher and outside of the intake manifold. That may account for the excess length. Did you read the destructions? Or are you being a re-engineer?
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This is the way that M-tuned does it. It accomplishes effectively the same thing insofar as maintaining a restriction to ensure a pressure differential within the system, however my concern with that design is that, as Sav said, it puts the thermostat at some remove from the primary flow of hot water and introduces the potential for the operation of the thermostat to lag behind peak temperature somewhat.
In a remote t-stat location (such as in the hose feeding the radiator), you can get a little bit of flow while t-stat is closed by drilling a small hole in the t-stat. Said hole however, will lengthen warmup time a bit.
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I think that we will need to do a different part list for the 1.6L version, as the longer bolts fit my NB. And the NB has to lengthen the wires to the coolant sensor. We have found better routing of lines since your stuff was shipped. If you want them, let me know.
I do quite like the look of the new hose routing, but in the end I'm happy with the way mine turned out, and I see no reason to change it.
The reason for the coolant sensor being off set is so that it will clear the thermostat when installed.
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i have the begi reroute and i cut myself so many times trying to get that thing in there.. yea its a pain in the ***. i was laying on top of my engine just to be able to get a wrench in and turn it.. ON a side note if you are removing your tranny go ahead and do it then. i did my friends when he did a clutch and it was real easy from the bottom. takes 5 min to do.. it took me 4 hours from the top and i had a leak. :(
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Like I said earlier, mine was basically a prototype, so the hoses Steph has pictured are different from the ones I got. No matter, it fits just fine on my car.
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So gonna do this next time I'm not a broke-*** college student.
Great write up as usual Senor Perez.
Stephanie...your car needs a bath, but I'm still jealous.
Thymer...I hope the above posts show where BEGi shines. They may not get it all perfect right out of the box (this kit was just developed), but they stay in contact with customers and work to make it right.
Great write up as usual Senor Perez.
Stephanie...your car needs a bath, but I'm still jealous.
Thymer...I hope the above posts show where BEGi shines. They may not get it all perfect right out of the box (this kit was just developed), but they stay in contact with customers and work to make it right.
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Yeah, I guessed as much. When I ordered mine, I requested it without the thermostat (as I re-used my existing Stant 180° thermostat which was only about 2 years old) and as you can see, there is loads of clearance. Do y'all normally supply an OEM twin-element unit, or are you shipping aftermarket ones like mine?
Incidentally, the first front thermostat block off plate (for my car) was too thin and leaked. If yours has problems let me know and I will replace it with a thicker one. We installed a thinner on an NA and it did not have problems. So another "go figure".
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Also, re-check the picture I posted above with the red bolts going through the spacer and water neck. The longer of the two is so long that the unthreaded portion protrudes out past the spacer. I don't see how this would fit any car, so maybe I just got an oddball, but it's something you should check out.
And just to reiterate for everyone else, despite a couple of missing pieces that wound up costing me a grand total of about $8, I'm really quite happy with the setup, and of course with Steph and all the folks at Bell. In response to thymer, I can only repeat what gospeed has already said- the difference between a good company and a great one is primarily service after the sale. Not too many folks will offer to send you updated parts for free, despite the fact that yours are working fine, just because they tweaked the design a bit.