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#21
Actually, the game that I played for much of the last 6 years or so (Pardus) relied on mostly fast-twitch action for the combat sequences, despite having extremely rudimentary in graphics and mechanics compared to the typical FPS. Never really occurred to me to try a different mouse, though.
#22
I've never found a need to use mouse buttons as back/forward.
On the MX518, in the normal windows environment, I use the forward or "top" thumb button as a "maximize/restore" button, and the bottom thumb button as a "minimize" button. I use lowest middle-finger button as a "close" button. These 3 buttons work extremely well and intuitively for window navigation. You have to set the buttons up in the logitech software to work this way. I've also found the "increase/decrease mouse speed" buttons extremely useful. I like the mouse because it works for me the same way that Joe likes his mouse because it works for him. I'm shocked that you can't find a current version of the 1.1, but glad that you've been able to pick up some NOS mice. :cheers:
On the MX518, in the normal windows environment, I use the forward or "top" thumb button as a "maximize/restore" button, and the bottom thumb button as a "minimize" button. I use lowest middle-finger button as a "close" button. These 3 buttons work extremely well and intuitively for window navigation. You have to set the buttons up in the logitech software to work this way. I've also found the "increase/decrease mouse speed" buttons extremely useful. I like the mouse because it works for me the same way that Joe likes his mouse because it works for him. I'm shocked that you can't find a current version of the 1.1, but glad that you've been able to pick up some NOS mice. :cheers:
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In TF2, for instance, my primary weapon is always under my left thumb, and my meleee weapon is always under the first knuckle of my ring finger. I don't have to worry about whether my thumb is aligned with the correct button, it's just a matter of squeezing one side of the mouse vs. the other.
Four years ago, before I got back into FPS gaming, I'd have probably been more open to the idea of a mouse with a large number of small buttons all packed together. But for this specific application, I prefer the simplicity that comes from a small number of buttons distributed symmetrically.
I guess I'm the 10s PC version of a 90s-era Mac fanboi, ranting about how only having one mouse button is superior to having two.
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I don't think there's an objectively right or wrong button configuration. From my research, it's more important to not have a stupid sensor that has always-on angle snapping or uneven acceleration. A lot of the boutique gaming mice tend to have sensors that are more for DPI e-peen measuring rather than actual performance.
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It's not just the added weight, and the hassle of needing to occasionally charge the battery, and the problem of having the mouse fall asleep and not always responding instantaneously to my every command, or the added latency introduced by the wireless connection...
It's the question of why the **** you'd even consider adding all that extra cost and complexity to such a simple problem in the first place.
But then, I don't pretend to understand these things...
Sidebar: I'm taking the day off from work, sitting here at home, listening to some mechanic repeatedly try (and fail) to start a 4,000 HP diesel locomotive just outside my window. It's a really sad, pathetic noise. Kind of like hearing jeff_man talk about how he has spent three thousand dollars (3.75x as much as I spent on my last car) on mouses and keyboards.
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Joe Perez; I feel the same way about my Logitech MX518 It has lasted 11 years now and still going strong. It's a two-timing dirty bastard of a mouse that goes back and forth between my laptop and my desktop.
I suspect that the Logitech M500 is probably a similarly well-built mouse, but it is an ergo instead of the ambidextrious design of the 1.1.
I suspect that the Logitech M500 is probably a similarly well-built mouse, but it is an ergo instead of the ambidextrious design of the 1.1.
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The M705 IS fairly heavy, but there is no lag whatsoever in it. I think its just on all the time if its in the "ON" position. And, it doesnt have the Red light sensor.. not sure how that works, but maybe this particular type of sensor uses less power than the lighted ones, because i have not replaced the battery in this mouse yet. lol
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Best mouse Ive ever owned or even used, hands down:
Logitech G500
It has a lot of features that are silly "gamer mouse" crap, like adjustable weight via a cartridge on the bottom and the mouse wheel can be switched between clicky and free-wheeling (no idea why anybody would want their mouse wheel to free-wheel).
Then it has things that I never thought I would like, such as having adjustable DPI profiles. Its nice to be able to make small changes to sensitivity between programs/games/etc. Having both a backwards and forwards button is great, and the shape of the buttons makes them very easy to feel under your thumb.
But best of all is just the feel of the thing. It fits my hand unlike any other mouse Ive used and it feels very solid and well built.
Its been a couple years now and I still love it. The honeymoon doesn't end.
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Just went back and saw that Im not the only one in this thread to see the glory of the G500.
Logitech G500
It has a lot of features that are silly "gamer mouse" crap, like adjustable weight via a cartridge on the bottom and the mouse wheel can be switched between clicky and free-wheeling (no idea why anybody would want their mouse wheel to free-wheel).
Then it has things that I never thought I would like, such as having adjustable DPI profiles. Its nice to be able to make small changes to sensitivity between programs/games/etc. Having both a backwards and forwards button is great, and the shape of the buttons makes them very easy to feel under your thumb.
But best of all is just the feel of the thing. It fits my hand unlike any other mouse Ive used and it feels very solid and well built.
Its been a couple years now and I still love it. The honeymoon doesn't end.
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Running a Logitech Performance MX on my desktop, where its really nice NOT having another cable on my desktop.
This thing even works on glass FFS. The "Darkfield" tracking is really THAT good.
Compared to this mouse, the old Intellipoint mouse (which I loved back then) feels like an old ball mouse.
Btw the silver ones I had (I owned 3 as there was nothing that came close back then) would exhibit position jitter even when they were left untouched. The pointer would also jump to the top left or top right a few times for no apparent reason.
All of them failed eventually. Every single time, it was the cable, a few inches away from the mouse.
Sleep with the Performance MX is an issue only if you haven't touched it for more than 5 minutes, so no big deal.
There are no latency issues. It feels like a wired mouse if you ask me.
Battery life is the only issue on this mouse as it lasts 4-5 days with no off overnight (just sleep). It does however have microusb port, so you can charge it as if it was a normal wired mouse from any USB port and it will still work while you charge it: no downtime at all.
This thing even works on glass FFS. The "Darkfield" tracking is really THAT good.
Compared to this mouse, the old Intellipoint mouse (which I loved back then) feels like an old ball mouse.
Btw the silver ones I had (I owned 3 as there was nothing that came close back then) would exhibit position jitter even when they were left untouched. The pointer would also jump to the top left or top right a few times for no apparent reason.
All of them failed eventually. Every single time, it was the cable, a few inches away from the mouse.
Sleep with the Performance MX is an issue only if you haven't touched it for more than 5 minutes, so no big deal.
There are no latency issues. It feels like a wired mouse if you ask me.
Battery life is the only issue on this mouse as it lasts 4-5 days with no off overnight (just sleep). It does however have microusb port, so you can charge it as if it was a normal wired mouse from any USB port and it will still work while you charge it: no downtime at all.
#38
Regarding cordless mice:
Seriously Joe?
1) You're an EE, do you really think that in 2013 the electronics for the wireless add more weight than a cord and strain relief?
2) I've used the mouse heavily for over a year and have not had to replace the battery yet. Even if I had to replace it every month, that hassle would pale in comparison to the hassle of having that stupid cord get tangled up in everything.
3) The mouse does respond instantly with absolutely no discernible latency. Again, You're an EE, where's the latency compared to USB? I think you're just making this **** up to be contrarian.
1) You're an EE, do you really think that in 2013 the electronics for the wireless add more weight than a cord and strain relief?
2) I've used the mouse heavily for over a year and have not had to replace the battery yet. Even if I had to replace it every month, that hassle would pale in comparison to the hassle of having that stupid cord get tangled up in everything.
3) The mouse does respond instantly with absolutely no discernible latency. Again, You're an EE, where's the latency compared to USB? I think you're just making this **** up to be contrarian.
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2) I've used the mouse heavily for over a year and have not had to replace the battery yet. Even if I had to replace it every month, that hassle would pale in comparison to the hassle of having that stupid cord get tangled up in everything.
3) The mouse does respond instantly with absolutely no discernible latency. Again, You're an EE, where's the latency compared to USB? I think you're just making this **** up to be contrarian.
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I wonder where the biggest point of latency is.
Singnal from mouse to computer, CPU to display chip, display chip to monitor, monitor to eyes, eyes to brain. Then what that total latency is once everything is added up. It couldn't be slower than a few milliseconds could it?
Singnal from mouse to computer, CPU to display chip, display chip to monitor, monitor to eyes, eyes to brain. Then what that total latency is once everything is added up. It couldn't be slower than a few milliseconds could it?