Rev Limit VS Intake manifold ?'s
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Rev Limit VS Intake manifold ?'s
Dear All Knowing Miataturbo.net,
Some backround:
I am ready to drop my motor back in for the 2013 season. It is a forged 1.9l 94 block that I had built with every intention to turbo to the 350/300 mark. It is comprised of 9:1 CP pistons/Eagle rods/ARP everywhere/ACL Race/BE Street/949 Superdamper. BUT I am using a completely stock 99 head that was simply cleaned, leveled and reassembled with new guides and stems. The funds and motivation for boost fell away when I started instructing with NASA 2 years ago. Now all I want is a n/a TT car.
Previously I had made 135whp with the stock 99 mani and NO vics and a stock 7200 limit.
Last year I ran a Blox b18 mani to 8000 on AEM EMS and made 142 at 7800. The honda mani LOST 12ftlbs at 4600 and was down everywhere except from 6800 out to 8000.
I am aiming to stay in TTE after a dyno reclass. The car is heavy as is, I should have no problem staying under the power/weight in TTE. I am trying to work with what I have laying around, which is lots of parts and not a lot of budget for more parts(supertech valvetrain)
So the questions to the committee here are these:
1. Am I a fool for revving a stock 99 head to 8000rpm?
2. Am I a fool for giving up 12ftlbs in an area of the curve I do occasionally use on track for gains of only 7hp made up top?
2b. Does my tuner suck or are these numbers plausible?
3. Before the motor goes back in, I should reassemble a 99 mani and wire up VICS, right?
4. Some other option, like the cheap volvo valve springs and rev this bitch out?
Pics for clicks?
OR
Some backround:
I am ready to drop my motor back in for the 2013 season. It is a forged 1.9l 94 block that I had built with every intention to turbo to the 350/300 mark. It is comprised of 9:1 CP pistons/Eagle rods/ARP everywhere/ACL Race/BE Street/949 Superdamper. BUT I am using a completely stock 99 head that was simply cleaned, leveled and reassembled with new guides and stems. The funds and motivation for boost fell away when I started instructing with NASA 2 years ago. Now all I want is a n/a TT car.
Previously I had made 135whp with the stock 99 mani and NO vics and a stock 7200 limit.
Last year I ran a Blox b18 mani to 8000 on AEM EMS and made 142 at 7800. The honda mani LOST 12ftlbs at 4600 and was down everywhere except from 6800 out to 8000.
I am aiming to stay in TTE after a dyno reclass. The car is heavy as is, I should have no problem staying under the power/weight in TTE. I am trying to work with what I have laying around, which is lots of parts and not a lot of budget for more parts(supertech valvetrain)
So the questions to the committee here are these:
1. Am I a fool for revving a stock 99 head to 8000rpm?
2. Am I a fool for giving up 12ftlbs in an area of the curve I do occasionally use on track for gains of only 7hp made up top?
2b. Does my tuner suck or are these numbers plausible?
3. Before the motor goes back in, I should reassemble a 99 mani and wire up VICS, right?
4. Some other option, like the cheap volvo valve springs and rev this bitch out?
Pics for clicks?
OR
#2
Here's my un-educated take on this:
1- with stock cams and stock head, I think so
2- yes. on boosted cars the results are very skewed, but some (like Sav) have shown gains everywhere. on an n/a your results sound about right. Corkys (and others) results also mirror yours...or really close
3- yes.
4- with stock cams and without headwork, why?
1- with stock cams and stock head, I think so
2- yes. on boosted cars the results are very skewed, but some (like Sav) have shown gains everywhere. on an n/a your results sound about right. Corkys (and others) results also mirror yours...or really close
3- yes.
4- with stock cams and without headwork, why?
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So the questions to the committee here are these:
1. Am I a fool for revving a stock 99 head to 8000rpm?
2. Am I a fool for giving up 12ftlbs in an area of the curve I do occasionally use on track for gains of only 7hp made up top?
2b. Does my tuner suck or are these numbers plausible?
3. Before the motor goes back in, I should reassemble a 99 mani and wire up VICS, right?
4. Some other option, like the cheap volvo valve springs and rev this bitch out?
1. Am I a fool for revving a stock 99 head to 8000rpm?
2. Am I a fool for giving up 12ftlbs in an area of the curve I do occasionally use on track for gains of only 7hp made up top?
2b. Does my tuner suck or are these numbers plausible?
3. Before the motor goes back in, I should reassemble a 99 mani and wire up VICS, right?
4. Some other option, like the cheap volvo valve springs and rev this bitch out?
2. Yes
2b. No, those numbers sound correct
3. Yes
4. If you want
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How did u mount the honda manifold? It looks like you just filled in the stock holes and drilled out new ones to fit? Did you match the ports on the manifold to the head?
A lot of the ones I've read about which made a good difference have:
1) used a frankenstein combination of stock and honda to get an appropriate runner length for their desired power band.
2) had turbo so the added capacity of the plenum makes a bigger difference.
3) had a lot of development in their car and knew what they were doing.
How many of those points do you have?
A lot of the ones I've read about which made a good difference have:
1) used a frankenstein combination of stock and honda to get an appropriate runner length for their desired power band.
2) had turbo so the added capacity of the plenum makes a bigger difference.
3) had a lot of development in their car and knew what they were doing.
How many of those points do you have?
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How did u mount the honda manifold? It looks like you just filled in the stock holes and drilled out new ones to fit? Did you match the ports on the manifold to the head?
A lot of the ones I've read about which made a good difference have:
1) used a frankenstein combination of stock and honda to get an appropriate runner length for their desired power band.
2) had turbo so the added capacity of the plenum makes a bigger difference.
3) had a lot of development in their car and knew what they were doing.
How many of those points do you have?
A lot of the ones I've read about which made a good difference have:
1) used a frankenstein combination of stock and honda to get an appropriate runner length for their desired power band.
2) had turbo so the added capacity of the plenum makes a bigger difference.
3) had a lot of development in their car and knew what they were doing.
How many of those points do you have?
As far as your 3 points, the original plan was to turbo it. But after years of both car and driver development I decided whoosh psssh noises didn't really matter as much anymore. At that point I already had the Honda mani on the car. Just ran it as it was.
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These motors do not like to rev, and you have to dump a ton of money into them to get them to do it.
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A ~300 gram Miata 1.8 piston on a stock length rod has ~1537 lbs of inertia force at 7000 rpm and 2,008 lbs at 8000 rpm. That's just the piston. At some point the stock rod will stretch a fraction of an inch, the piston will contact the head, and the piston will be set free from the bondage of the wrist pin.
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Like 18psi said... wanna rev? Buy a Honda.
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