Engine Performance This section is for discussion on all engine building related questions.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: KPower

A probable solution to Begi's racer reroute warmup times?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-19-2013 | 02:30 PM
  #1  
yossi126's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 859
Total Cats: -14
Default A probable solution to Begi's racer reroute warmup times?

So my friend got around to implement the tap so he can control the warmup times. Cool on the track is not optimal for everyday drive.
fully open (reroute way) the warmup time to 190f is 13:30 minutes. Not so good.

Tested my car (still with basic route) - 10:30 to 190f.
A little play with the reroute's tap, around 80-85% closed, and my friend got his times pretty much identical to my warmup times.

My question is, is it safe for the engine the way the tap is half-closed?
I mean, is it hurting in any way that the circulation is partially blocked?

Attached Thumbnails A probable solution to Begi's racer reroute warmup times?-972433_10201931203462803_1009264871_n_zps99feb0af.jpg  
Reply
Leave a poscat -1 Leave a negcat
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:31 PM
  #2  
Full_Tilt_Boogie's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,155
Total Cats: 407
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

I think a better solution would be to use a real coolant reroute.

Also,
Attached Thumbnails A probable solution to Begi's racer reroute warmup times?-cylwallwearvstemp_640x480.jpg  
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:33 PM
  #3  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 79,818
Total Cats: 4,152
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

just move the adapter from the upper to lower hose.
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:38 PM
  #4  
shuiend's Avatar
mkturbo.com
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 15,194
Total Cats: 1,687
From: Charleston SC
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
just move the adapter from the upper to lower hose.
This is exactly what needs to be done.
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:39 PM
  #5  
Full_Tilt_Boogie's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,155
Total Cats: 407
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
just move the adapter from the upper to lower hose.
Wouldnt that be the same thing as having it hooked to the mixing manifold, like from the factory?
Not sure if trolling or if I just cant brain today.
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:40 PM
  #6  
yossi126's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 859
Total Cats: -14
Default

Boogie, thanks, but as I said, I tuned the tap so the water flow through it to the upper hose is just enough that warmup and daily driving temps are stock-like.
Braineack,
But then I'm back to stock-like configuration. The reroute works in the track with the tap fully open.
With the tap half-closed, the temperatures are stable just like a stock car.
Reply
Leave a poscat -1 Leave a negcat
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:45 PM
  #7  
Full_Tilt_Boogie's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,155
Total Cats: 407
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

The point is, a "real" reroute would actually help with keeping the back cylinders cool.

I bet that racer reroute thing has a negligible effect. I see no reason why it should even flow. Its going from hot to hot, with the restriction of the heater core in between.
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:53 PM
  #8  
JasonC SBB's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,420
Total Cats: 84
Default

Setup the heater return like factory, into the water pump or into the lower rad hose.

Use an oil t-stat on the heater *outlet* to block flow when hot; this will stop the heater bypassing the radiator when the coolant is hot. At the same time, if you turn on the heater to help cool the engine, it will open and coolant will through the heater.
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:55 PM
  #9  
yossi126's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 859
Total Cats: -14
Default

If my temps at the track dropped from 225f to below 212f it must have did something.
Can anyone say if the restriction of the flow by the tap can cause damage, even so the temps are just as they need to be?
Reply
Leave a poscat -1 Leave a negcat
Old 09-19-2013 | 03:57 PM
  #10  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 79,818
Total Cats: 4,152
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie
Wouldnt that be the same thing as having it hooked to the mixing manifold, like from the factory?
yes. or put in other words: fixing what you broke.
Old 09-19-2013 | 04:09 PM
  #11  
Savington's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,104
From: Sunnyvale, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
just move the adapter from the upper to lower hose.
+1
Old 09-19-2013 | 04:15 PM
  #12  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 79,818
Total Cats: 4,152
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by Savington
+1
whenever Savington +1's something I say I feel like this:

Old 09-19-2013 | 04:39 PM
  #13  
JasonC SBB's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,420
Total Cats: 84
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
just move the adapter from the upper to lower hose.
Which then makes it no different than stock.
Old 09-19-2013 | 06:00 PM
  #14  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 79,818
Total Cats: 4,152
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
Which then makes it no different than stock.
good.
Old 09-19-2013 | 06:05 PM
  #15  
JasonC SBB's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,420
Total Cats: 84
Default

So what's the point in plumbing it into the rad hose instead of stock, at the waterpump inlet?
Old 09-19-2013 | 06:08 PM
  #16  
Savington's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,104
From: Sunnyvale, CA
Default

Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
So what's the point in plumbing it into the rad hose instead of stock, at the waterpump inlet?
There isn't one.
Old 09-19-2013 | 06:14 PM
  #17  
JasonC SBB's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,420
Total Cats: 84
Default

OK I'm glad this is clear.
Old 09-19-2013 | 06:19 PM
  #18  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 79,818
Total Cats: 4,152
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

They did it because they wanted to remove the pipe under the manifold and the mixing manifold to better fit their turbo parts. Going back to the upper was a compromise, not a benefit.
Old 09-19-2013 | 06:55 PM
  #19  
18psi's Avatar
VladiTuned
iTrader: (76)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 35,821
Total Cats: 3,481
Default

lol FIX your car back to stock, then if you want to actually IMPROVE go ahead and do the reroute a proper way
Old 11-08-2013 | 10:24 PM
  #20  
Trent's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,651
Total Cats: 39
From: Louisiana
Default

Okay, sorry for the late reply to this, but I'm having the same issue with the Begi reroute kit that came with my S2 turbo kit about four years ago.

So, the fix is to remove the big T from the upper radiator hose and route the hose going around the motor into that T to the lower radiator hose? Not a lot of room around the turbo to put that hose. Guess I would need to extend the hose going around the motor to the lower hose?

Sorry if Im being clear as mud, but I need to do this tomorrow. My car almost never gets up to operating temp right now.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:18 AM.