Oil squirters/ piston oilers discussion
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I believe the threads are M10 x 1.25. I will double check this tomorrow and also get a length for the bolt minus the squirter. I plan on using copper washes under the bolt heads as well.
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Indeed M10-1.25 x 22mm are the squirter bolts.
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Total stack with 2 washers and the squirter is ~12mm.
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This means I will need M10-1.25 x 10mm bolts to plug the holes. I can only find 16mm readily available so I'll need to cut them down as you have done. Thread locker is wise as my engine mount and a/c bolts like to walk out occasionally.
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Total stack with 2 washers and the squirter is ~12mm.
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This means I will need M10-1.25 x 10mm bolts to plug the holes. I can only find 16mm readily available so I'll need to cut them down as you have done. Thread locker is wise as my engine mount and a/c bolts like to walk out occasionally.
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I have oil squirters in with Wiseco 84.50 mm coated pistons and ring gap 0.020 top and 0.023 bottom. On first rebuild hone, rings, bearings. Rebuild was initiated after finding ~25% blowby on cylinders 3 and 4. I thought about plugging the squirters on first go-around, but decided not to. Maybe I should do it now.
On locktite, oil can get above 300f which is the high end of Red Loctite operating temps. Block should be cooler though. Redline loosens just below 500 f.
On locktite, oil can get above 300f which is the high end of Red Loctite operating temps. Block should be cooler though. Redline loosens just below 500 f.
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I've built engines with and without squirrels. These were SCCA road race in SM, ITA and FP. Really never noticed any real difference, other than oil temps. Figured big oil cooler helped pull engine temps down.
In SM, where squirters were left in and no oil cooler is allowed, we saw temps spiking around 280 – 290. Run Royal Purple and Change it frequently.
Biggest engine we run is a 1.8 with 99 head and fairly big garret. Has wiseco pistons, 8.8:1, and squirters. Left them in as I figured the motor had enough power to spin the crank even with a oil mist inside the motor. Plus figured turbo probably heated the Pistons up a tad more than stock.
FP engine has J&N, 10:1, with no squirters. Left out to keep excess oil from flying around inside block and we need every bit of power we can get.
In SM, where squirters were left in and no oil cooler is allowed, we saw temps spiking around 280 – 290. Run Royal Purple and Change it frequently.
Biggest engine we run is a 1.8 with 99 head and fairly big garret. Has wiseco pistons, 8.8:1, and squirters. Left them in as I figured the motor had enough power to spin the crank even with a oil mist inside the motor. Plus figured turbo probably heated the Pistons up a tad more than stock.
FP engine has J&N, 10:1, with no squirters. Left out to keep excess oil from flying around inside block and we need every bit of power we can get.
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I've built engines with and without squirrels. These were SCCA road race in SM, ITA and FP. Really never noticed any real difference, other than oil temps. Figured big oil cooler helped pull engine temps down.
In SM, where squirters were left in and no oil cooler is allowed, we saw temps spiking around 280 – 290. Run Royal Purple and Change it frequently.
Biggest engine we run is a 1.8 with 99 head and fairly big garret. Has wiseco pistons, 8.8:1, and squirters. Left them in as I figured the motor had enough power to spin the crank even with a oil mist inside the motor. Plus figured turbo probably heated the Pistons up a tad more than stock.
FP engine has J&N, 10:1, with no squirters. Left out to keep excess oil from flying around inside block and we need every bit of power we can get.
In SM, where squirters were left in and no oil cooler is allowed, we saw temps spiking around 280 – 290. Run Royal Purple and Change it frequently.
Biggest engine we run is a 1.8 with 99 head and fairly big garret. Has wiseco pistons, 8.8:1, and squirters. Left them in as I figured the motor had enough power to spin the crank even with a oil mist inside the motor. Plus figured turbo probably heated the Pistons up a tad more than stock.
FP engine has J&N, 10:1, with no squirters. Left out to keep excess oil from flying around inside block and we need every bit of power we can get.
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This was in Blackstone' news letter. I LOL'd a little at the customers self diagnostics.
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/f64139...t_Feb_2015.pdf
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/f64139...t_Feb_2015.pdf
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Just assembled my short-block. Manley rods, Wiseco 10.5 slugs, BE pump +1 shim, and decided to plug my squirters. Pistons are not coated on the top, just the skirts.
Will be running N/A, so I don't think piston heat will be a major issue.
Thanks to williams805 for the bolt-size info. This thread has really helped solidify my decision to plug them +1
Will be running N/A, so I don't think piston heat will be a major issue.
Thanks to williams805 for the bolt-size info. This thread has really helped solidify my decision to plug them +1
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This was in Blackstone' news letter. I LOL'd a little at the customers self diagnostics.
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/f64139...t_Feb_2015.pdf
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/f64139...t_Feb_2015.pdf
Turns out wasting oil pressure by squirting it into the air inside the crank case does almost nothing for lubricating bearings and oil getting past the oil control and compression rings and being burnt into carbon deposits is pretty crummy for lubricating the cylinder walls while it gums up the rings.
just my experiance
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I bought a bottle of 266. It says high strength, high temp, oil resistant.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003WRH8DA
Not sure if it the best for this application but I got tired if searching through the countless Locktite formulas.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003WRH8DA
Not sure if it the best for this application but I got tired if searching through the countless Locktite formulas.
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I just used red Locktite. kept the crush washer so I don't even think the Locktite is even necasary though. Metric flanged bolts from the local hardware store with the copper crush washer. I cut them to a shorter length with a hack saw.
One thing is if you are making 2.5 to 3.5X stock hp and your spinning to much higher than stock rpm limit you are going to have accelerated wear. don't expect much more than a couple years between teardowns no matter how tricky you get with the build.
One thing is if you are making 2.5 to 3.5X stock hp and your spinning to much higher than stock rpm limit you are going to have accelerated wear. don't expect much more than a couple years between teardowns no matter how tricky you get with the build.
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