thought we needed another wideband thread
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thought we needed another wideband thread
Because everything I've read indicates that every affordable wideband is the best ever and the biggest POS. Amazing
LC-1: great if you wire it properly and downgrade the firmware. A complete POS and requires calibration
MTX-L: 1000000000x better than LC1...why? A POS and requires calibration
UEGO: Just works and no calibration. But it's slow and inaccurate. Also a POS.
ZT-2: slow and inaccurate but super awesome. Expensive.
ZT-3: new, nobody uses it. maybe better than ZT-2.
I really like the idea of an LC-1 w/ DB gauge and then upgrade to a VEI dual display down the line to combine boost and AFR into one. But apparently the LC-1 is junk and people are upgrading to MTX-L. I'd like to consolidate gauges but not if it means subpar sensors.
Still on the stock ECU now but will be upgrading to a Reverant built MS2 soon. Figured I'd get this installed now and have one less thing to deal with when the MS shows up. That and I can see just how badly Mazda tuned the MSM.
So why shouldn't I get the LC-1?
LC-1: great if you wire it properly and downgrade the firmware. A complete POS and requires calibration
MTX-L: 1000000000x better than LC1...why? A POS and requires calibration
UEGO: Just works and no calibration. But it's slow and inaccurate. Also a POS.
ZT-2: slow and inaccurate but super awesome. Expensive.
ZT-3: new, nobody uses it. maybe better than ZT-2.
I really like the idea of an LC-1 w/ DB gauge and then upgrade to a VEI dual display down the line to combine boost and AFR into one. But apparently the LC-1 is junk and people are upgrading to MTX-L. I'd like to consolidate gauges but not if it means subpar sensors.
Still on the stock ECU now but will be upgrading to a Reverant built MS2 soon. Figured I'd get this installed now and have one less thing to deal with when the MS shows up. That and I can see just how badly Mazda tuned the MSM.
So why shouldn't I get the LC-1?
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Day One: Wire up LC-1.
Drive Hard
Tune
Turbo
Tune
Drive Harder
Tune
Upgrade
Tune
Upgrade some more
Tune
Drive 50K turbocharged miles, harder than ever
Tune
Smile
Present Day (3yrs later): Not a single problem, at all, ever, with an LC-1 on any of my setups, or those I've helped tune (a handful).
Drive Hard
Tune
Turbo
Tune
Drive Harder
Tune
Upgrade
Tune
Upgrade some more
Tune
Drive 50K turbocharged miles, harder than ever
Tune
Smile
Present Day (3yrs later): Not a single problem, at all, ever, with an LC-1 on any of my setups, or those I've helped tune (a handful).
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Couple $ maybe, they're close enough that price isn't a consideration. But I plan on replacing the DB guage & my existing boost gauge with one of these in a couple months
http://www.veisystems.com/d1-bopwba-m.html
Can I wire the LC-1 to both the VEI gauge and MS2? The VEI needs 0-5v output. If I can't do that then I'll just get a MTX or maybe UEGO.
http://www.veisystems.com/d1-bopwba-m.html
Can I wire the LC-1 to both the VEI gauge and MS2? The VEI needs 0-5v output. If I can't do that then I'll just get a MTX or maybe UEGO.
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midpack get a 14point7 SLC
http://14point7.com/SLC-Pure-Plus-2.php
http://14point7.com/SLC-DIY-2.php
mutiple gauge inputs as well
The only innovate i want is the LM-2
http://14point7.com/SLC-Pure-Plus-2.php
http://14point7.com/SLC-DIY-2.php
mutiple gauge inputs as well
The only innovate i want is the LM-2
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The MTX-L is better than the LC-1 in that the gauge is showing the actual AFR measured, where as with the LC-1 (and the DB red/blue gauges), the AFR shown swings wildly due to the nature of the analog signal being measured, also it offset by ~0.3.
I would suggest the MTX-L.
The AEM tends to overfilter (low pass) the analog output, so does the Zeitronix (which is also slow to respond on the display AND inaccurate).
I would suggest the MTX-L.
The AEM tends to overfilter (low pass) the analog output, so does the Zeitronix (which is also slow to respond on the display AND inaccurate).
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Ordered the VEI boost/AFR gauge and sender last night. Found a couple gaugeless LC-1s for a decent price and I'll order one once the VEI stuff ships.
Is the MS smart enough to ignore the wild swings or will it see the same fluctuating AFR that my gauge displays?
The PLX stuff looks awesome and had myself convinced to pick up a wideband + DM5 combo for a little more than LC1 or MTX but the lack of configurable outputs was a problem with the VEI gauges. Not sure basing the wideband decision on VEI is the greatest of ideas but oh well. If it works out then I'll have boost, AFR, oil temp and pressure split between 2 gauges for cheaper than anything else I've seen.
Is the MS smart enough to ignore the wild swings or will it see the same fluctuating AFR that my gauge displays?
The PLX stuff looks awesome and had myself convinced to pick up a wideband + DM5 combo for a little more than LC1 or MTX but the lack of configurable outputs was a problem with the VEI gauges. Not sure basing the wideband decision on VEI is the greatest of ideas but oh well. If it works out then I'll have boost, AFR, oil temp and pressure split between 2 gauges for cheaper than anything else I've seen.
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And that is why you are building it and not me. Well that and a whole bunch of other reasons including my soldering skills which would completely destroy half the components either from heat or electrons going where they should not.