ignition coil condensor?
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ignition coil condensor?
The little capacitor to ground thing on the battery power wire to the coils. Can someone explain why this would be needed? 1994-2000 Miatas never came with one, Mazda only put them on NA6 and NB2 cars from the factory. I haven't noticed it making any difference to anything. Any car I tried it on you can unplug them plug them back in and observe no difference. Supposedly it effects the radio don't know what else.
currently rewiring a B2200 with a Kia FE3 motor using a 2000 Miata harness as a base. Wondering if there is any reason I should add a capacitor. The coils Im using are from the Kia but they look and fit like NB2 coils.
Bob
currently rewiring a B2200 with a Kia FE3 motor using a 2000 Miata harness as a base. Wondering if there is any reason I should add a capacitor. The coils Im using are from the Kia but they look and fit like NB2 coils.
Bob
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im very old.
and I have old knowlege.. but dont 94-00 engines have the ignitor in the coil?
when the voltage to the coil signal is sent ( grounded). there is a voltage spike in the primary side as the field collapses.
has a tendancy to fry the electronic ignition modules up stream of the coil.
the part that removes ground from the coils primary side that causes the field to drop.
not sure how they moved away from them now. maybee there is a condensor in the ECU that fires the coils ?
if you yanked the condensor from old volvo B230 and b18 b20 cars.. you ran the chance of nuking the computer that fired the coil.
might be worth youtubing a bit about it.
and I have old knowlege.. but dont 94-00 engines have the ignitor in the coil?
when the voltage to the coil signal is sent ( grounded). there is a voltage spike in the primary side as the field collapses.
has a tendancy to fry the electronic ignition modules up stream of the coil.
the part that removes ground from the coils primary side that causes the field to drop.
not sure how they moved away from them now. maybee there is a condensor in the ECU that fires the coils ?
if you yanked the condensor from old volvo B230 and b18 b20 cars.. you ran the chance of nuking the computer that fired the coil.
might be worth youtubing a bit about it.
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im very old.
and I have old knowlege.. but dont 94-00 engines have the ignitor in the coil?
when the voltage to the coil signal is sent ( grounded). there is a voltage spike in the primary side as the field collapses.
has a tendancy to fry the electronic ignition modules up stream of the coil.
the part that removes ground from the coils primary side that causes the field to drop.
not sure how they moved away from them now. maybee there is a condensor in the ECU that fires the coils ?
if you yanked the condensor from old volvo B230 and b18 b20 cars.. you ran the chance of nuking the computer that fired the coil.
might be worth youtubing a bit about it.
and I have old knowlege.. but dont 94-00 engines have the ignitor in the coil?
when the voltage to the coil signal is sent ( grounded). there is a voltage spike in the primary side as the field collapses.
has a tendancy to fry the electronic ignition modules up stream of the coil.
the part that removes ground from the coils primary side that causes the field to drop.
not sure how they moved away from them now. maybee there is a condensor in the ECU that fires the coils ?
if you yanked the condensor from old volvo B230 and b18 b20 cars.. you ran the chance of nuking the computer that fired the coil.
might be worth youtubing a bit about it.
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I'd completely forgotten that certain year Miatas used external condensers.
I also can't believe that we still use the word condenser here in the 21st century. The whole rest of the electrical engineering universe has been calling them capacitors since before colored folks were allowed to use the nice drinking fountain.
Putting a capacitor in between the power supply and ground is common in a whole host of applications (automotive and otherwise) in which a large electrical current is abruptly switched on and off. It smooths out ripple in the power supply line. Removing it is not likely to cause any physical damage in the context of an automotive electrical system, but having it there cuts way down on emitted noise, which can interfere with radio reception (AM in particular), and can also induce noise into sensor readings.
I also can't believe that we still use the word condenser here in the 21st century. The whole rest of the electrical engineering universe has been calling them capacitors since before colored folks were allowed to use the nice drinking fountain.
Putting a capacitor in between the power supply and ground is common in a whole host of applications (automotive and otherwise) in which a large electrical current is abruptly switched on and off. It smooths out ripple in the power supply line. Removing it is not likely to cause any physical damage in the context of an automotive electrical system, but having it there cuts way down on emitted noise, which can interfere with radio reception (AM in particular), and can also induce noise into sensor readings.
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I'd completely forgotten that certain year Miatas used external condensers.
I also can't believe that we still use the word condenser here in the 21st century. The whole rest of the electrical engineering universe has been calling them capacitors since before colored folks were allowed to use the nice drinking fountain.
Putting a capacitor in between the power supply and ground is common in a whole host of applications (automotive and otherwise) in which a large electrical current is abruptly switched on and off. It smooths out ripple in the power supply line. Removing it is not likely to cause any physical damage in the context of an automotive electrical system, but having it there cuts way down on emitted noise, which can interfere with radio reception (AM in particular), and can also induce noise into sensor readings.
I also can't believe that we still use the word condenser here in the 21st century. The whole rest of the electrical engineering universe has been calling them capacitors since before colored folks were allowed to use the nice drinking fountain.
Putting a capacitor in between the power supply and ground is common in a whole host of applications (automotive and otherwise) in which a large electrical current is abruptly switched on and off. It smooths out ripple in the power supply line. Removing it is not likely to cause any physical damage in the context of an automotive electrical system, but having it there cuts way down on emitted noise, which can interfere with radio reception (AM in particular), and can also induce noise into sensor readings.
Another interesting thing is I'm using Kia Sportage FE3 coils. on the Kia the ignition coil control wires to the ECU are also in grounded shield wires. Miatas are not shielded. I used the shelded wires from the Kia
Also isn't the battery itself sort of like a giant capacitor in the circuit?
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It is, but wires have resistance, so as current flows across them, you experience voltage drop. When the current is pulsating (ignition coils draw a surprising amount of power), then the voltage drop is also pulsating. That's the definition of noise. Placing a capacitor very near the load decreases this effect.
Same reason that the folks running big, thumpin' amplifiers in their cars put big capacitors across the power and ground lines as close as possible to the amp.
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