Your turbo coolant lines are all f*cked up?
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I'm honestly not following what he's saying. I'm trying to understand it, maybe I need more coffee, maybe he's describing it badly, and maybe its just so silly that it doesn't even make sense logically.
I never heard of the coolant flow reversing after shutdown and flowing upwards into the turbo?
Someone translate what he's saying
I never heard of the coolant flow reversing after shutdown and flowing upwards into the turbo?
Someone translate what he's saying
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Maybe you just need a 101 on car cooling systems. Let's start with Henry Ford and Model T:
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No water pump? How can water flow upwards, OMG?!?
BTW water flows in your Miata upwards. It's physics. You know from lower radiator hose to the upper, from cold to hot.
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No water pump? How can water flow upwards, OMG?!?
BTW water flows in your Miata upwards. It's physics. You know from lower radiator hose to the upper, from cold to hot.
How about you stick to your story of not being a douchebag until I can actually understand what you're proposing and why its better.
Anyways, I know it flows upwards during engine operation you imbecile, that's why I'm trying to figure out what you meant by it flows upwards AFTER SHUTDOWN. in our "FLAWED" routing the water comes from the front waterneck, into the turbo, then out from the turbo to the mixing manifold where it gets put back into the block to flow up into the head and back into the turbo.
so HOW IN THE EVERLIVING HELL is your shitty re-design wehre you draw the water FROM THE HEAD JUST LIKE US, BUT FROM THE BACK AND NOT THE FRONT any better or different? And lastly, how in the hell is the water going to rise up from the mixing manifold thorugh the turbo and into the head after shutdown? I'm not making this up, you described this yourself in your shitty post above, and either you're mis-communicating your point or I'm not understanding YOUR DUMB FINNISH ***.
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Hey dumbass, you know how you were trying to pretend that you're not a ***** trying to start a flame fest?
How about you stick to your story of not being a douchebag until I can actually understand what you're proposing and why its better.
Anyways, I know it flows upwards during engine operation you imbecile, that's why I'm trying to figure out what you meant by it flows upwards AFTER SHUTDOWN. in our "FLAWED" routing the water comes from the front waterneck, into the turbo, then out from the turbo to the mixing manifold where it gets put back into the block to flow up into the head and back into the turbo.
so HOW IN THE EVERLIVING HELL is your shitty re-design wehre you draw the water FROM THE HEAD JUST LIKE US, BUT FROM THE BACK AND NOT THE FRONT any better or different? And lastly, how in the hell is the water going to rise up from the mixing manifold thorugh the turbo and into the head after shutdown? I'm not making this up, you described this yourself in your shitty post above, and either you're mis-communicating your point or I'm not understanding YOUR DUMB FINNISH ***.
How about you stick to your story of not being a douchebag until I can actually understand what you're proposing and why its better.
Anyways, I know it flows upwards during engine operation you imbecile, that's why I'm trying to figure out what you meant by it flows upwards AFTER SHUTDOWN. in our "FLAWED" routing the water comes from the front waterneck, into the turbo, then out from the turbo to the mixing manifold where it gets put back into the block to flow up into the head and back into the turbo.
so HOW IN THE EVERLIVING HELL is your shitty re-design wehre you draw the water FROM THE HEAD JUST LIKE US, BUT FROM THE BACK AND NOT THE FRONT any better or different? And lastly, how in the hell is the water going to rise up from the mixing manifold thorugh the turbo and into the head after shutdown? I'm not making this up, you described this yourself in your shitty post above, and either you're mis-communicating your point or I'm not understanding YOUR DUMB FINNISH ***.
I'm not drawing water from the head... I'm drawing water from the bottom of the block and dumping it high in the back of the head, basically to the upper coolant reroute house.
In the "flawed" design the water can't rise to the turbo on shutdown because the feed (water neck) is higher than the return (mixing manifold). No f'ckin thermo siphoning.
In the improved design the flow is nice and pretty much kink-free from the bottom of the block to the highest point of the cooling system. The water goes through the turbo from below in every situation like Garrett wants you to do. Constant f*cking uphill and so much thermo siphoning love.
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Is it just me but according to your picture. It would not make a difference if the flow was reversed cause it would still be achieving the same goal. The whole reason we have reroutes is to cool piston number 4. Aside from that I am not seeing where our cooling system could be any more improved aside from rerouting that metal pipe that connects from the heater core under the manifold to the water pump.
Also when the engine is off. Heat is going to move from a more hot to less hot location. So if the turbo is full of a **** load of heat all that hot water contains a higher pressure and in theory should pressure into a lower pressure area. If you look at my picture I posted you can see that the higher pressure form the turbo should move back into the less hotter side of the intake until pressure remains constant across the cooling system ie same heat through out. This is my thoughts not saying Im completely right this is how I picture it in my head.
Also when the engine is off. Heat is going to move from a more hot to less hot location. So if the turbo is full of a **** load of heat all that hot water contains a higher pressure and in theory should pressure into a lower pressure area. If you look at my picture I posted you can see that the higher pressure form the turbo should move back into the less hotter side of the intake until pressure remains constant across the cooling system ie same heat through out. This is my thoughts not saying Im completely right this is how I picture it in my head.
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Didn't read thread. OP complains about water line routing, then uses unsupported aluminum hardline to replace them.
OP, I'm sure your lines will work great, for about 30 minutes, and then they will crack and empty your entire cooling system, which will be good for the turbo because the most reliable turbochargers in the world are the ones attached to motors that no longer run.
OP, I'm sure your lines will work great, for about 30 minutes, and then they will crack and empty your entire cooling system, which will be good for the turbo because the most reliable turbochargers in the world are the ones attached to motors that no longer run.
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Didn't read thread. OP complains about water line routing, then uses unsupported aluminum hardline to replace them.
OP, I'm sure your lines will work great, for about 30 minutes, and then they will crack and empty your entire cooling system, which will be good for the turbo because the most reliable turbochargers in the world are the ones attached to motors that no longer run.
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OP, I'm sure your lines will work great, for about 30 minutes, and then they will crack and empty your entire cooling system, which will be good for the turbo because the most reliable turbochargers in the world are the ones attached to motors that no longer run.
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I'm using stainless braided hoses with teflon lining and AN fittings. Happy?
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OP is taking water from a higher pressure area and returning it to an area of medium pressure when running. FM/BEGI et al take water from an area of high pressure and return it to an area of low pressure. The latter flows more volume when the engine is running and actually generating heat.
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Is it just me but according to your picture. It would not make a difference if the flow was reversed cause it would still be achieving the same goal. The whole reason we have reroutes is to cool piston number 4. Aside from that I am not seeing where our cooling system could be any more improved aside from rerouting that metal pipe that connects from the heater core under the manifold to the water pump.
Also when the engine is off. Heat is going to move from a more hot to less hot location. So if the turbo is full of a **** load of heat all that hot water contains a higher pressure and in theory should pressure into a lower pressure area. If you look at my picture I posted you can see that the higher pressure form the turbo should move back into the less hotter side of the intake until pressure remains constant across the cooling system ie same heat through out. This is my thoughts not saying Im completely right this is how I picture it in my head.
Also when the engine is off. Heat is going to move from a more hot to less hot location. So if the turbo is full of a **** load of heat all that hot water contains a higher pressure and in theory should pressure into a lower pressure area. If you look at my picture I posted you can see that the higher pressure form the turbo should move back into the less hotter side of the intake until pressure remains constant across the cooling system ie same heat through out. This is my thoughts not saying Im completely right this is how I picture it in my head.
This has nothing to do with coolant reroute and cylinder 4, wtf?
No coolant flow is reversed.
The only problem here is how to make the thermal siphoning work, forget everything else. And it only works when cold water rises up towards hot water in the turbo.