New NB downpipe offering from CX Racing
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New NB downpipe offering from CX Racing
I know CX Racing has had Miata turbo kit offerings for quite some time now, but while perusing their site today I noticed that they now have a NB downpipe with a 5 bolt flange instead of the V band. This would open up a lot of DIY options for better turbos at reasonable prices and make their intercooler offering a lot more attractive. Manifold, downpipe and intercooler kit will set you back about $1,200 + shipping. This is just a little bit more than the FM downpipe and manifold.
I know their quality is questionable, but I thought it was interesting enough to share.
https://www.cxracing.com/MF-DP-18-T2...T?search=miata
Sorry if this old news.
I know their quality is questionable, but I thought it was interesting enough to share.
https://www.cxracing.com/MF-DP-18-T2...T?search=miata
Sorry if this old news.
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why would any one ever want to buy a cxracing china made junk when a quality company like Kraken exists, with bomb proof great flowing cast manifolds and proper 2.5" or 3" downpipes with a cast elbow ?!?
AND FOR THE SAME PRICE.
cxracing is seriously over priced for the China junk they produce.
AND FOR THE SAME PRICE.
cxracing is seriously over priced for the China junk they produce.
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why would any one would ever want to buy a cxracing china made junk when a quality company like Kraken exists, with bomb proof great flowing cast manifolds and proper 2.5" or 3" downpipes with a cast elbow ?!?
AND FOR THE SAME PRICE.
cxracing is seriously over priced for the China junk they produce.
AND FOR THE SAME PRICE.
cxracing is seriously over priced for the China junk they produce.
You make a good point about Kraken. They are proven quality. I think the real value with the CX stuff, comes in when you combine the intercooler kit. That seems like a good value to me, and requires 0 fab work for the people with aren't capable, such as I.
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I think they may actually be having some of their products, such as manifolds, downpipes and intercooler piping being custom made for them. I don't have any real evidence to back this up, but those products don't seem to be available anywhere else.
You make a good point about Kraken. They are proven quality. I think the real value with the CX stuff, comes in when you combine the intercooler kit. That seems like a good value to me, and requires 0 fab work for the people with aren't capable, such as I.
You make a good point about Kraken. They are proven quality. I think the real value with the CX stuff, comes in when you combine the intercooler kit. That seems like a good value to me, and requires 0 fab work for the people with aren't capable, such as I.
Result? overpriced junk. China steel is ****, welds are weak. manifold will crack, sooner rather than later.
This style manifold, is almost impossible to make so it wont crack, even top notch American welders, using quality steel and god like welding skills have trouble making these style manifolds not crack under track use.
You do know that an intercooler kit can work with almost any other turbo setup right?
im running a cxracing intercooler kit with my kraken hardware and efr 6258 turbo, just point the turbo downwards, and fiddle with the silicone elbows/tubing to make the piping line up with the turbo outlet location.
welding intercooler piping is one thing, but making top mount manifolds that do not crack? almost impossible. and 100% not in China by barefoot 6 year olds with a torch.
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I know CX Racing has had Miata turbo kit offerings for quite some time now, but while perusing their site today I noticed that they now have a NB downpipe with a 5 bolt flange instead of the V band. This would open up a lot of DIY options for better turbos at reasonable prices and make their intercooler offering a lot more attractive. Manifold, downpipe and intercooler kit will set you back about $1,200 + shipping. This is just a little bit more than the FM downpipe and manifold.
I know their quality is questionable, but I thought it was interesting enough to share.
https://www.cxracing.com/MF-DP-18-T2...T?search=miata
Sorry if this old news.
I know their quality is questionable, but I thought it was interesting enough to share.
https://www.cxracing.com/MF-DP-18-T2...T?search=miata
Sorry if this old news.
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I dont want to start a debate about who copied who....
I own a kraken efr setup, and held the TSE manifold in my hands as well. and i can tell you that, yes, they are both cast manifolds with similar runner lenghts, but the angles are all different, turbo placement is different, and overall cast shape is totally different as well.
The TSE manifld cad drawing might have been used as an inspiration for the Kraken manifld, but to call it a "copy" is a stretch.
I own a kraken efr setup, and held the TSE manifold in my hands as well. and i can tell you that, yes, they are both cast manifolds with similar runner lenghts, but the angles are all different, turbo placement is different, and overall cast shape is totally different as well.
The TSE manifld cad drawing might have been used as an inspiration for the Kraken manifld, but to call it a "copy" is a stretch.
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im not sure what "custom made" means to you...? cxracing designs the part, sends off the drawings to China and has the factory make the parts, stuff it in a container, and off it goes to Cali.
Result? overpriced junk. China steel is ****, welds are weak. manifold will crack, sooner rather than later.
This style manifold, is almost impossible to make so it wont crack, even top notch American welders, using quality steel and god like welding skills have trouble making these style manifolds not crack under track use.
You do know that an intercooler kit can work with almost any other turbo setup right?
im running a cxracing intercooler kit with my kraken hardware and efr 6258 turbo, just point the turbo downwards, and fiddle with the silicone elbows/tubing to make the piping line up with the turbo outlet location.
welding intercooler piping is one thing, but making top mount manifolds that do not crack? almost impossible. and 100% not in China by barefoot 6 year olds with a torch.
Result? overpriced junk. China steel is ****, welds are weak. manifold will crack, sooner rather than later.
This style manifold, is almost impossible to make so it wont crack, even top notch American welders, using quality steel and god like welding skills have trouble making these style manifolds not crack under track use.
You do know that an intercooler kit can work with almost any other turbo setup right?
im running a cxracing intercooler kit with my kraken hardware and efr 6258 turbo, just point the turbo downwards, and fiddle with the silicone elbows/tubing to make the piping line up with the turbo outlet location.
welding intercooler piping is one thing, but making top mount manifolds that do not crack? almost impossible. and 100% not in China by barefoot 6 year olds with a torch.
Yes, I am well aware that those intercooler kits can be used with other setups, thats why I have a Chinese cast manifold and a CX Racing intercooler kit sitting in my closet now, waiting to be installed.
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So you can choose to believe that they designed a manifold from scratch which inexplicably hampers flow for no reason, or you can choose to believe that they saw a picture of my manifold and used substantial portions of its design to create theirs.
I have had multiple phone calls from other vendors in the industry asking if I licensed the design to them, if that's any indication of how others feel about it.
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The one I had (T28 Turbo Turbocharger) was IWG. For what it was, it worked fine - it's just that damned 5-bolt flange that kicked my butt. CX Racing supplied a flange that fit the turbo, but the exhaust opening was only 2-inches in diameter. I had to get a 2.5 in V-Band adapter welded to it to fit a semi-decent DP. And it was so shallow that the flapper wouldn't open all the way up.
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Given the fact the trackspeed manifold was created first, I guess it served as an inspiration. No point in denying that. For me it goes too far to call it a copy. If you go by that logic you can call any cheap Android phone with a notch a copy of the iPhone X.
I have never seen Apple advertising with "We created this phone first, so therefore you must buy ours". If you have to resort to that argument to market your product, it usually means the competition is ahead of you.
If you want to legally protect design elements, you have to resort to patents.
Now in this case I think both manifolds are good and having choice / competition is good in any marketspace. There are plenty of reasons to choose the TSE over the Kraken manifold.
I love both TSE and Kraken for making great products for our car community.
If I see a vendor bashing another vendor for no founded reason, I stay away from that vendor. I will never buy a Motorsport Electronics product for that very reason.