Low power from new turbo, less then my 2560?
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He needs to drop the crap of course, but look at the real issue here.
220whp from 15psi on a 2560r. Something is /wrong/ here. With a churbo or a decent turbo, he needs to learn how to tune for himself. He obviously is looking at it like a black arts mystery box, willing to consider driving a thousand miles (round trip) just to get a tune.
Knowing what to do with what you have is more important than having the right stuff.
220whp from 15psi on a 2560r. Something is /wrong/ here. With a churbo or a decent turbo, he needs to learn how to tune for himself. He obviously is looking at it like a black arts mystery box, willing to consider driving a thousand miles (round trip) just to get a tune.
Knowing what to do with what you have is more important than having the right stuff.
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^ Well it's true it would be extreme to drive a 500 mile, one-way trip to tune it, I actually make regular trips into the LP, so going through Chicago is already in the works anyway. I do intend to master the Hydra system. I have a rather busy schedule that keeps me from reading about it front to back and would rather it be properly tuned the first time around, lol.
If it wasn't 15 ******* degrees in my freezer (garage) last night I would have actually gotten something done beyond changing my shift boots, and to top it off the battery froze even though I had it on a float charger. At least I found that before I really wanted to drive it..
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The only reason I am still running the Hydra, is I eventually plan to sell the NB head and get a fully reworked 01+ VVT head, unless the MSII can do this now..? But that's a year or two down the line, unless a killer deal shows up (like my bushings for 1/3 the cost
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If it wasn't 15 ******* degrees in my freezer (garage) last night I would have actually gotten something done beyond changing my shift boots, and to top it off the battery froze even though I had it on a float charger. At least I found that before I really wanted to drive it..
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The only reason I am still running the Hydra, is I eventually plan to sell the NB head and get a fully reworked 01+ VVT head, unless the MSII can do this now..? But that's a year or two down the line, unless a killer deal shows up (like my bushings for 1/3 the cost
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Get that car on the dyno, turn up the boost, and see what happens. My godspeed GT28 is making just over 263hp at 14psi with a 2.5" exhaust. This thread reminds me a lot of m.net. The whole: "oh god why'd you waste your money on aftermarket parts when the manufacturer got it right. OEM parts are far superior, you're an idiot to even try them." Can be applied exactly to how people are like "you're an idiot for trying anything other then a genuine garret, they got it right blah blah blah." Kudos to you for trying something different. Sorry it hasn't panned out (yet), but don't think you have to do exactly like everyone else to make power.
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^ **** happens, if I screwed up at least I learned something. As it sits, I have to get that battery charged to get the car running, I'm hoping it's good when I get home tonight. I'm pretty intent on digging out my timing light and verifying my timing, I am 99% sure I got it right for 0º when I setup the Hydra, but hell, I could have missed something. It's one of those 'wtf is going on here?!' situations right now.. :P
Tuning the hydra really from what I've done myself isn't too hard, but my only concern is doing it wrong and ending up with a situation I can't figure my way out of.
Tuning the hydra really from what I've done myself isn't too hard, but my only concern is doing it wrong and ending up with a situation I can't figure my way out of.
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^ Well it's true it would be extreme to drive a 500 mile, one-way trip to tune it, I actually make regular trips into the LP, so going through Chicago is already in the works anyway. I do intend to master the Hydra system. I have a rather busy schedule that keeps me from reading about it front to back and would rather it be properly tuned the first time around, lol.
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^ Indeed I have been, probably not as much as I could though. As for exhaust, I will probably get the FM 3", I love the sound and it should mate up really well with the butterfly brace I already have. Once I have 3", I'll push 18-20psi, tune fueling and timing and call it a day
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I was talking with my friend about the issues I was having making power, and he recalls looking at some of my dyno sheets, which had me making 10.5-11 afr under boost. I think I found part of my issue, now I just need to check the plugs and do a leakdown tonight (battery died, waiting on replacement). I really hope it's just tuning and not mechanical, lol...
Edit- I'm thinking of putting in an EGT probe, but I'm not sure on the best method to go about this. I've considered drilling my fm manifold but at the risk of cracking I will hold off for now.
Edit- I'm thinking of putting in an EGT probe, but I'm not sure on the best method to go about this. I've considered drilling my fm manifold but at the risk of cracking I will hold off for now.
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The whole: "oh god why'd you waste your money on aftermarket parts when the manufacturer got it right. OEM parts are far superior, you're an idiot to even try them." Can be applied exactly to how people are like "you're an idiot for trying anything other then a genuine garret, they got it right blah blah blah."
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Believe me, I've been working on it. The 3d map in the hydra software is simple enough, but it's hard to tell if I'm adjusting too much or too little, I'll have to wait until late April before I can really drive it to tell (pothole city up here right now).
As for why it's sat untouched, we salt the roads up here in the great state of Minnesnowta, so my car has been in storage. Top it off with the garage it's in not having insulation, it makes for a very cold work environment. My last Miata went from being rust-free to baseball sized holes in the rear rockers after just one season in our awful winters. This one has been in storage since the day before the first snow fell. Not a fan of rust. :P
As for why it's sat untouched, we salt the roads up here in the great state of Minnesnowta, so my car has been in storage. Top it off with the garage it's in not having insulation, it makes for a very cold work environment. My last Miata went from being rust-free to baseball sized holes in the rear rockers after just one season in our awful winters. This one has been in storage since the day before the first snow fell. Not a fan of rust. :P
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