Kraken NA8 Stock Flange Downpipe
10-05-2020, 06:53 PM
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Kraken NA8 Stock Flange Downpipe
Anyone have pictures of one of these things, either installed or not? Preferably installed.
I'm installing a Kraken top mount manifold/elbow/downpipe/etc. on a car for someone and the downpipe doesn't fit onto the definitely, for sure, NA8 test pipe and/or factory catalyst, and exhaust. Flange at the cat end is the wrong angle, and about 2" too short to go on an NA8. Just for clarification sake, a stock NA8 cat or compatible midpipe would have the flanges angled down, to connect to the stock header/exhaust which angle upward, like this (slashes are flanges): --HEADER--\ \--CAT-or-MIDPIPE--/ /--EXHAUST--, but what he appears to have received, and I am attempting to install, looks more like this: --HEADER--/ \--CAT-or-MIDPIPE--/ /--EXHAUST--, catch my drift?
When this was brought up to Kraken he pushed back saying there was no issue, and told the guy that I have his engine tilted too far back, or I'm somehow using a 370mm long NA6 catalyst (it measures ~425 like every other NA8 catalyst I have), he sells tons of them with no problems, or any other amount of wild ****. I've got the v-band loose on the cast turbo outlet elbow, for maximum flex and adjustment, and this thing will not go on. Between this and an intercooler coldpipe that has the IAC nipple in a totally unusable and random place, I'm gonna go hard recommend to either only buy the cast parts, or buy your **** with entire exhaust systems that will probably connect together and fit the car.
Someone has to have photos of what they received/installed. I'd love to see them to make sure I'm not losing my mind.
I'm installing a Kraken top mount manifold/elbow/downpipe/etc. on a car for someone and the downpipe doesn't fit onto the definitely, for sure, NA8 test pipe and/or factory catalyst, and exhaust. Flange at the cat end is the wrong angle, and about 2" too short to go on an NA8. Just for clarification sake, a stock NA8 cat or compatible midpipe would have the flanges angled down, to connect to the stock header/exhaust which angle upward, like this (slashes are flanges): --HEADER--\ \--CAT-or-MIDPIPE--/ /--EXHAUST--, but what he appears to have received, and I am attempting to install, looks more like this: --HEADER--/ \--CAT-or-MIDPIPE--/ /--EXHAUST--, catch my drift?
When this was brought up to Kraken he pushed back saying there was no issue, and told the guy that I have his engine tilted too far back, or I'm somehow using a 370mm long NA6 catalyst (it measures ~425 like every other NA8 catalyst I have), he sells tons of them with no problems, or any other amount of wild ****. I've got the v-band loose on the cast turbo outlet elbow, for maximum flex and adjustment, and this thing will not go on. Between this and an intercooler coldpipe that has the IAC nipple in a totally unusable and random place, I'm gonna go hard recommend to either only buy the cast parts, or buy your **** with entire exhaust systems that will probably connect together and fit the car.
Someone has to have photos of what they received/installed. I'd love to see them to make sure I'm not losing my mind.
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10-13-2020, 01:16 AM
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Normal part of #TurboLife. If exhaust doesnt bolt up together, take it to exhaust shop and they will make it work.
My Kraken 3" EFR DP did bolt up to my custom catless 3" exhaust with a 3" 2 bolt vibrant Flange on both ends, but it did require quite a bit of massaging the exhaust and downpipe exact hanging locations.
My Kraken 3" EFR DP did bolt up to my custom catless 3" exhaust with a 3" 2 bolt vibrant Flange on both ends, but it did require quite a bit of massaging the exhaust and downpipe exact hanging locations.
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10-13-2020, 04:36 AM
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The only way to know for sure is to get another complete NA8 exhaust, I did say I am happy to send him a NA6 downpipe but not sure if that will fix anything, the NA8 downpipe I sent him is 100% NA8 and the correct flange location/orientation. I know he bought a NA8 decat pipe
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11-09-2020, 10:42 PM
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Been a while, but I got sidetracked working on other cars and just had the guy pay an exhaust shop to fix this. I've built many turbo Miatas over the years, using parts from every vendor under the sun, so I promise I know what I'm doing.
To answer these questions:
The one that says it bolts to a stock exhaust system sure is supposed to. It will fit, allegedly, because that is what it was supposedly designed to do.
That's what ended up happening. Got tired of the back and forth with the vendor, just cut it off and had it fixed by an exhaust shop.
I don't know what car you measured it off of, but there was no way it was gonna fit. Totally bone stock 1.8 car. OE everything underneath. Tried 3 different cat-backs, two of which were stock NA8, and known good. Two catalysts, one being an NA6, one being an NA8, and a brand new NA8 test pipe. Was all off by 2-3" and at the wrong angle. Unless there's something wildly different about early NA8s in the US versus where you're at, I can't imagine what the difference would be. In any case, an exhaust shop fixed it so it's not a big deal, but it hopefully the low mount stuff gives you and installers less trouble.
To answer these questions:
Normal part of #TurboLife. If exhaust doesnt bolt up together, take it to exhaust shop and they will make it work.
My Kraken 3" EFR DP did bolt up to my custom catless 3" exhaust with a 3" 2 bolt vibrant Flange on both ends, but it did require quite a bit of massaging the exhaust and downpipe exact hanging locations.
My Kraken 3" EFR DP did bolt up to my custom catless 3" exhaust with a 3" 2 bolt vibrant Flange on both ends, but it did require quite a bit of massaging the exhaust and downpipe exact hanging locations.
The only way to know for sure is to get another complete NA8 exhaust, I did say I am happy to send him a NA6 downpipe but not sure if that will fix anything, the NA8 downpipe I sent him is 100% NA8 and the correct flange location/orientation. I know he bought a NA8 decat pipe
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11-10-2020, 04:02 PM
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Been a while, but I got sidetracked working on other cars and just had the guy pay an exhaust shop to fix this. I've built many turbo Miatas over the years, using parts from every vendor under the sun, so I promise I know what I'm doing.
To answer these questions:
The one that says it bolts to a stock exhaust system sure is supposed to. It will fit, allegedly, because that is what it was supposedly designed to do.
That's what ended up happening. Got tired of the back and forth with the vendor, just cut it off and had it fixed by an exhaust shop.
I don't know what car you measured it off of, but there was no way it was gonna fit. Totally bone stock 1.8 car. OE everything underneath. Tried 3 different cat-backs, two of which were stock NA8, and known good. Two catalysts, one being an NA6, one being an NA8, and a brand new NA8 test pipe. Was all off by 2-3" and at the wrong angle. Unless there's something wildly different about early NA8s in the US versus where you're at, I can't imagine what the difference would be. In any case, an exhaust shop fixed it so it's not a big deal, but it hopefully the low mount stuff gives you and installers less trouble.
To answer these questions:
The one that says it bolts to a stock exhaust system sure is supposed to. It will fit, allegedly, because that is what it was supposedly designed to do.
That's what ended up happening. Got tired of the back and forth with the vendor, just cut it off and had it fixed by an exhaust shop.
I don't know what car you measured it off of, but there was no way it was gonna fit. Totally bone stock 1.8 car. OE everything underneath. Tried 3 different cat-backs, two of which were stock NA8, and known good. Two catalysts, one being an NA6, one being an NA8, and a brand new NA8 test pipe. Was all off by 2-3" and at the wrong angle. Unless there's something wildly different about early NA8s in the US versus where you're at, I can't imagine what the difference would be. In any case, an exhaust shop fixed it so it's not a big deal, but it hopefully the low mount stuff gives you and installers less trouble.
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